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Offline mattdh

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Poplar for cabinets
« on: November 07, 2013, 09:36 PM »
Is poplar to soft for face frames and doors on cabinets

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Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 09:57 PM »
Nope, it's a good solution for paint grade and sometimes stain. Just don't expect it to be stand up to bumps as well as maple.
Tim

Offline Jalvis

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2013, 11:25 AM »
If your painting DONT use poplar.

I've tried and tried to use poplar for paint grade due to price and ease of machining but the extra labor in applying the finnish has me using maple exclusively.

 

Offline mattdh

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2013, 12:08 PM »
they are getting painted. but its a hand finished faux painting(not by me) not a sprayed glass smooth finish. what were your problems painting poplar?  most worried about the softness. they are for a single 50 year old female  with no kids in a basement bar.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2013, 12:10 PM by mattdh »

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2013, 12:27 PM »
If your painting DONT use poplar.

I've tried and tried to use poplar for paint grade due to price and ease of machining but the extra labor in applying the finish has me using maple exclusively.


Yep in a production situation (time is money) it would be an issue but, it really depends on what kind of finish your customer wants/needs. Yes, without the proper preparation, there is more grain that transfers through the finish than maple, but sometimes that is the look and feel that folks want.
A primer that powders up well will give you a great finish.

Unless the 50 year old female is "hanging from the chandeliers" type poplar should be fine.
Tim

Offline CarolinaNomad

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2013, 12:30 PM »
Just a question, why not use mdf instead of poplar?
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Offline Jalvis

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2013, 12:32 PM »
Its a very porous material which makes it hard to prime and sand for paint.  I find that it take twice the time to prep.

The guys I know that will use poplar have large shops and use some rigorous priming agents.  I don't have that luxury.

Just ask Scott with TopCoat who is a member on FOG.  He feels the same way.

Offline Jalvis

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 12:35 PM »
Just a question, why not use mdf instead of poplar?

Maple for the the rails and stiles with MDF panels are a great combination for Paint grade.

Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 12:39 PM »
I respectfully and strongly disagree.  Poplar takes paint well, I've never had a problem.  It also machines nicely, low in cost and there is very little waste in terms of knots and crazy grain.

Offline JD2720

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 12:53 PM »
I respectfully and strongly disagree.  Poplar takes paint well, I've never had a problem.  It also machines nicely, low in cost and there is very little waste in terms of knots and crazy grain.

I agree. I have used poplar & maple for years for paint grade work.  Sometimes using both on the same project. I have never seen any difference when painting poplar or maple or could anyone see any difference between painted poplar or maple. 

Offline Jalvis

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2013, 12:59 PM »
If your painting DONT use poplar.

I've tried and tried to use poplar for paint grade due to price and ease of machining but the extra labor in applying the finish has me using maple exclusively.


Yep in a production situation (time is money) it would be an issue but, it really depends on what kind of finish your customer wants/needs. Yes, without the proper preparation, there is more grain that transfers through the finish than maple, but sometimes that is the look and feel that folks want.
A primer that powders up well will give you a great finish.

Unless the 50 year old female is "hanging from the chandeliers" type poplar should be fine.
Tim

Thats the problem I have….grain transfer.  The only method I'v come up with to avoid it is to double prime and sand in between.  OR us lacquer bases which helps.

Like you said it depend on what end product your looking for…..personally I'm picky and don't like to see grain through the finnish.

My distributor finds that its split between the shops in my area who use poplar and who use maple.

Offline greg mann

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2013, 01:34 PM »
they are getting painted. but its a hand finished faux painting(not by me) not a sprayed glass smooth finish. what were your problems painting poplar?  most worried about the softness. they are for a single 50 year old female  with no kids in a basement bar.


What? I thought everybody kept their kids in the basement bar!  [poke]
Greg Mann
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Offline chris mann

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2013, 01:44 PM »
If you're looking for a perfectly smooth surface, Poplar is not the best choice., Soft Maple performs much better.  If it's going to get hand painted, Poplar is fine.  Or if you want to see the grain of the wood.

I've attached a pic of a rail on a FF, the rail is soft maple and the beads are poplar.  This is only one coat of tinted lacquer, but it gives you an idea of what you'll get.  This job will be hand painted after install, so it's all fine.

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2013, 01:52 PM »
Interesting top for me because I might have a project in the near future that will also be painted. I've painted pine and it does telegraph the grain, which wasn't a problem in the past. I think the choice between poplar and maple is an compromise between cost/durability. Maple is nearly double the hardness on the Janka scale.

Chris, just curious, did you use a sealer on that rail?

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2013, 03:08 PM »
Sherwin Williams Wall and Wood primer. Heavy bodied, sands well. solves the afore mentioned problems.

Tom

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2013, 03:29 PM »
I use poplar all the time for paint grade. I don't seem to have any grain or smoothness problems. But I am hand painting so that seems to be the difference , maybe?

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2013, 04:15 PM »
Sherwin Williams Wall and Wood primer. Heavy bodied, sands well. solves the afore mentioned problems.

Yeah, using a quality primer and paint can definitely make a difference. Good point, Tom.

Offline bruegf

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2013, 04:23 PM »
Poplar makes for some beautiful pieces if finished naturally, here's a pic of my 20 yr old dining room table.  It was finished naturally, no stain, with a 2 part conversion varnish.   

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Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2013, 04:24 PM »
Sherwin Williams Wall and Wood primer. Heavy bodied, sands well. solves the afore mentioned problems.

Yeah, using a quality primer and paint can definitely make a difference. Good point, Tom.

I'm not trying to insinuate that others aren't using good primer. The W&W is the best I have found for wood (it was a Scott Burt, "you BETTER use this" recommendation). As great as it is for wood, it is one of the worst primers I have ever used on walls. For walls SWP Multi Purpose, use MP on interior or exterior.

Tom

Offline tjbnwi

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2013, 04:25 PM »
Poplar makes for some beautiful pieces if finished naturally, here's a pic of my 20 yr old dining room table.  It was finished naturally, no stain, with a 2 part conversion varnish.   

Fred

Very pretty.

Tom

Offline Tim Raleigh

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2013, 05:51 PM »
I've attached a pic of a rail on a FF, the rail is soft maple and the beads are poplar. 

Looks like someone else doesn't like to sand any more than I do  [big grin]
tim

Offline mastercabman

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2013, 07:36 PM »
Poplar is good for trim or if you plan on painting with a  brush,but I don't use it for cabinets.
I like Maple.
I don't understand!?! I keep cutting it,and it's still too short!

Offline Jalvis

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2013, 08:50 PM »
I've attached a pic of a rail on a FF, the rail is soft maple and the beads are poplar. 

Looks like someone else doesn't like to sand any more than I do  [big grin]
tim

That picture demonstrates what would not be acceptable for my clientele or for my sleep….as I would wake up being bothered.

If your brushing finishes then poplar would be ok.  If your looking for a smooth or gloss finnish then you will be fighting on a material that porous and soft.

Offline Jim Kirkpatrick

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2013, 05:31 AM »
This is a little off topic.  I brush my paints.  But I'm very picky, I always sub my paint out if it's a big job because I take waaaaay too long.  I never like latex primers either because they gum up sand paper too quickly.  I like oil based Kilz, it sands very smooth and quickly.  But lately,  I was picking up a quart of interior latex at HD for a small table and the associate talked me into a Behr paint with the primer built in.  I was skeptical but decided to try it and was glad I did,  the results were great.  The first coat went on easily, sanded very nicely and the resulting second coat was as smooth as glass and I didn't even strain the paint.  Anyhoo, I'm a believer

Offline JD2720

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2013, 06:37 AM »
I've attached a pic of a rail on a FF, the rail is soft maple and the beads are poplar. 

Looks like someone else doesn't like to sand any more than I do  [big grin]
tim

A sharp cutter would help also.

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2013, 08:21 PM »
I'm a little tardy to the party on this one.

I have painted tons of poplar in the past couple of decades, and have always considered it to be a good paint grade species.

Lately we have been painting maple cabinets, alot, and maple is very nice because the grain broadcasts very little, it is hard, and allows great primer adhesion.

For primer, as Tom notes, I prefer W&W by SW, and Tom is right, it is not a drywall primer. It is the leader of the pack in latex interior wood primers.
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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2013, 02:38 PM »
Ive made cabinets doors out of poplar with mft center panels, they came out great, I used a good primer under coater, sanded it smooth and applier the paint came out real nice.

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2013, 04:48 PM »
Ive made cabinets doors out of poplar with mft center panels, they came out great, I used a good primer under coater, sanded it smooth and applier the paint came out real nice.

+1 on Poplar with mdf panels.  Looks pissah!

Offline JerrySats

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Re: Poplar for cabinets
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2013, 10:16 PM »
My only dislike about poplar is it dings easy , not so much after the finish is on but before hand moving the parts around in the shop .  I use it for FF, doors and drawer fronts .  I do like maple better and have since started using that , I can get better deals on maple then poplar .  The only thing you need to watch with painted poplar is dark areas of the wood tend to bleed through on light colors .


Poplar with double refinded MDF panels .


ML Campbell primer and finish color .