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Offline Peter Parfitt

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HELP Identify this wood please !
« on: March 13, 2013, 10:02 AM »
Hello Everyone

I am in the middle of writing a review of the Rotex 150 and realised that I do not know the species of the wood in the picture below - can you help?

Please do not be afraid to disagree with a previous poster and also please submit a post to confirm your agreement with a previous poster  - this will help to get it right.

Many thanks in advance.

Peter

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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: HELP Identify this wood please !
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2013, 10:06 AM »
I'd guess beech (rift-sawn) but it's nicer looking than any beech I've seen before.

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Re: HELP Identify this wood please !
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2013, 10:19 AM »
I do not think that it is beech - I use a lot of beech and have never seen that pattern before.

The surface is very difficult to plane and this piece has sat in my workshop for years because of that. I then thought about sanding it with the Rotex 150 (brilliant sander by the way) and it came up really well. In the picture I have given it a light oil in order to bring out the grain.

Peter

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Re: HELP Identify this wood please !
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2013, 11:03 AM »
I don't know if you have ever bought any exotics, but maybe lacewood?

Peter

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2013, 11:09 AM »


This is picture of corkwood, from Australia. Looks closer than beech.

Hobbithouseinc.com is where I go to identify wood. Link.

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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2013, 11:21 AM »
Peter might be right.



Australian Lacewood



Riftcut Brazilian Lacewood



Slightly different angle of cut changes the size of the rays.


We need to see the end grain.




Leopardwood

A discussion of the above similar looking woods is here.
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2013, 11:24 AM »
I thought that it looked like lacewood but a friend was adamant that it was not. I think that the pictures that Michael has provided show an almost exact match.

The subject is not closed and so if anyone else has any ideas or wants to support any of the suggestions so far then please join in.

I only have one piece, about 15mm thick, 240 mm wide and 1500 mm long. I was going to use it for a small book rack (Peter Rabbit books) as the grain is so pretty.

Peter

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Re: HELP Identify this wood please !
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2013, 12:06 PM »
I have taken another picture...


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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2013, 12:09 PM »
I really don't think it's lacewood. I have a roll of lacewoood veneer in my workshop and it is more reddish, and also more textured. The texture is also more uniform i.e. it lies in straight rows.


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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2013, 12:28 PM »
Without seeing it in person I would say it is either Leopard wood or more than likely - Rewarewa (New Zealand honeysuckle or New Zealand bottlebrush)
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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2013, 01:03 PM »
Probably a stupid guess, but the sawn off end wood looks like oak. Could it be oak that is resawn at an angle?

<edit, added an image of some oak I had laying around. Sorry, everything but the end grain seems to be in focus  [embarassed]>
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2013, 01:31 PM »
Probably a stupid guess, but the sawn off end wood looks like oak. Could it be oak that is resawn at an angle?

If it's not lace wood or leopard wood maybe fishtail oak or silky oak which are often confused  with lace wood. Based on the color it looks more like silky oak.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2013, 01:35 PM »
I don't know if you have ever bought any exotics, but maybe lacewood?

Peter

My first impression was also Lacewood, but I am beginning to have my doubts. Wipe some mineral spirits before taking a photo and we might have a better sense of it.

Charles
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2013, 01:43 PM »


Charles, the surface in this photo is oiled.

The confusing thing to me is that what I think are the rays are darker than the surrounding wood which is the opposite of how the very dense rays of species I'm familiar with accept color. Maybe it's a species that has less distinct rays?

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2013, 04:13 PM »
I just cleaned up a couple of lacewood scraps with a card scraper, and put some mineral spirits on them for this picture:



Quite a variation in appearance is to be found with this wood.

Charles Wilson

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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2013, 04:32 PM »


Charles, the surface in this photo is oiled.
The confusing thing to me is that what I think are the rays are darker than the surrounding wood which is the opposite of how the very dense rays of species I'm familiar with accept color. Maybe it's a species that has less distinct rays?

Yes, I am sorry but for magazine work you have to do a few 'tweaks' to get the best out of a shot - hence the oil.

Peter

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2013, 04:36 PM »
I like this kind of threads. Much to be learned.

Could you try to find out the density of the wood? Cut off a bit and weigh it. Then lower it in a can of water an measure how much the water level rises to get hold of the volume. How does one take into account the humidity of the wood when measuring density? Does the wood density databases state how many % water is in the wood?

Do you have any means to measure the water inside of the wood, or would it be safe to say "about 6-10%?

Actually, I would be very interested to hear from someone knowledgeable in determining wood species. Is the density a usable figure, or are most species too close to each other in density?

//Michael

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Re: HELP Identify this wood please !
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2013, 04:42 PM »
I had never seen fishtail oak, but here are some images:

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2013, 05:52 PM »
Is the density a usable figure, or are most species too close to each other in density?

//Michael

I have found large variations in density exist within some species. The two pieces of Lacewood in my picture above have different densities and hardness. They both came from the same lumber yard and were bought at the same time.

Charles
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« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2013, 07:10 PM »
I have gone thru a dozen web sites looking for Fishtail oak and Lacewood.  It seems to make a difference where one is and where the wood comes from how it is identified.  There are samples shown from Brazil and Austrailia for both woods, including Silky oak and Oak lacewood. Also, Lacewood oak.  Leopard wood is also identified.  Also there seems to be a European lacewood, or is it a European silky oak.  I ended up with a lot of confusion that i wood only be able to sort out by printing all of the miriade of pages and putting them side by side to figure out.

There seems to be a close resemblance between all of the above, even tho they are all in apparently different families.  The one certainty I have come away with is that none are in the oak family, but some are related to oaks. (One responder on a Q&A site suggested that in his own assesment, he felt he was doing a great immitation of a lawyer.)

there are pictures on most of the pages showing samples of each wood mentioned.  There are differences between samples of identicaly identified as well as close resemblances of apparently unrelated samples.  After all of this gobbledegook I have just gone thru, i think the Fishtail oak suggestion might be the closest.  However, i would not venture to dispute those who wood say otherwise. 

I am quite sure that Peter's wood is niether Walnut or Chestnut.  ::)
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« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2013, 07:23 PM »
Here is a picture of the Rewarewa and a link to the New Zealand Forests giving a write up on it.
http://nzforests.co.nz/native-timber/rewarewa/
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« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2013, 10:50 PM »
Time to send a small sample to the U.S. Forest Service Forest Products Lab for a free identification.  Per their website:

"The Center for Wood Anatomy Research will identify a maximum of five wood samples per household or business per calendar year as a free public service to U.S. citizens. We try to accommodate inquiries from non-citizens, but such requests are typically assigned a low priority. Persons or businesses in need of more than five identifications per year should seek a private consultant to provide this service."

Check out details for shipping, etc here:  http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/research/centers/woodanatomy/wood_idfactsheet.php

Non-US citizens are given least priority.  PM me if interested - you can send me a sample and them I, as a US citizen, can mail it in if you want.  I'm guessing they don't have a waiting list... though they are a government agency so good chance there is red tape of some sort to slow the process down.
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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2013, 12:51 AM »
Time to send a small sample to the U.S. Forest Service Forest Products Lab for a free identification.  Per their website:

"The Center for Wood Anatomy Research will identify a maximum of five wood samples per household or business per calendar year as a free public service to U.S. citizens. We try to accommodate inquiries from non-citizens, but such requests are typically assigned a low priority. Persons or businesses in need of more than five identifications per year should seek a private consultant to provide this service."

Check out details for shipping, etc here:  http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/research/centers/woodanatomy/wood_idfactsheet.php

Non-US citizens are given least priority.  PM me if interested - you can send me a sample and them I, as a US citizen, can mail it in if you want.  I'm guessing they don't have a waiting list... though they are a government agency so good chance there is red tape of some sort to slow the process down.


That is really very kind but I think that we are almost there - Lacewood is looking pretty good right now.

Peter

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2013, 08:51 AM »
Peter,

I am going to change my thoughts and go with fishtail oak.  The two scraps that you posted in that image as well as the fact that oak is possibly more accessible in a normal lumber pile thru - it is just oak- versus - it is an exotic - help get me here.

The grain differences between those samples and the original image illustrate so beautifully how harvesting and cutting for appearance can influence the end result and sometimes profitability.  If you take the larger of the two and imagine the dark grain lines on the end as operating louvers, then as you move the louvers you will see the face image open up.  If you close those all the way, then you get the small sample.  If you open them up all the way then you get the original.

For me, no matter what the wood might end up being, your images were great!

Peter

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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2013, 03:15 PM »
What about sicamore (spelling?) ?
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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2013, 04:24 PM »
Hi

This might sound like a stupid idea but maybe the smell of the wood when cut might give a hint. At least when telling the difference between oak and the exotic woods.  ???  [oops]

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« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2013, 07:29 PM »


New species of wood called   Parfitt wood..   


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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2013, 03:12 AM »

....This might sound like a stupid idea but maybe the smell of the wood when cut might give a hint. At least when telling the difference between oak and the exotic woods.   

Festoolviking


New species of wood called   Parfitt wood..   




If that were the case I would suggest that we do not smell it!

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« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2013, 06:35 PM »
To me it looks like Sycamore.  I have used it on several projects and it is usually quatersawn for stablility is what I was told and has very attractive grain pattern. Let me know if I am wrong? Common Name:  Sycamore

Scientific Name:
Platanus occidentalis

A.K.A:
American Plane Tree, Buttonwood,
Lacewood

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« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2013, 06:43 PM »
I remembered seeing a picture of Leapord wood from Austrailia that reminded me of Sycamore just bigger rays etc not sure if my terminology is right so I googled images of leapord wood and it looks identical.  They also call it snakewood.

http://www.mangore.com/bellucci-guitars-may-5-2010-snakewood.html

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« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2013, 07:05 PM »
I didn't realize that leopard wood and snake wood were supposedly the same species.  I have a piece of leopard wood I bought a long time ago that is stored in my exotic wood vault.

 Now if Richard Leon is reading - I do have some snake wood burl veneer.  [big grin]

Peter


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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2013, 07:15 PM »
Nice- you could do something good with that!

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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2013, 07:33 PM »
Sorry Spelled it wrong Leopardwood.  This image is from Hearne Hardwood Inc. 

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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2013, 08:28 PM »
According to the Hearne hardwood they are all in the same family as Sycamore.