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Offline Alec Buscemi

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What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« on: October 02, 2017, 09:38 PM »
Is it M14x1? M14x1.5? M14 x 2?

Thanks.

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Offline Rip Van Winkle

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2017, 05:35 AM »
I don't own a RAS so I can't check, but I believe Euro M14 grinders usually use M14x2 threads, and I doubt Festool would have diverged from that.

Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2017, 02:52 PM »
My RAS 115 manual does not say other than M14 "standard" which for grinders is "coarse M14x2".
My Bosch pads fit, as do my FixTec fast chuck.

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Offline leakyroof

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2017, 02:51 PM »
I have an RAS 115 and can measure the thread pitch for you this evening if you still need it after the two above posts.  I'll post it anyway since it's one more 'sticky' for the rare RAS 115 that we can save here on FOG as needed info.
 UPDATE- yes, 2.0mm thread pitch... taking my old pad off to measure the tool’s shaft was a good excuse to swap out with a new pad.  [cool]
« Last Edit: October 04, 2017, 11:39 PM by leakyroof »
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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2017, 08:30 AM »
The bolt is an M14 pitch 2.0.

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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2020, 10:06 PM »
In the U.S. - in taking this thread to its logical conclusion (and for posterity), I just discovered that wire wheels, wire cup wheels, etc. , with M14X2 arbor threads are available on Amazon (and likely elsewhere) meaning that the NAINA accessories for the RAS 115 that our brethren across the pond have access to can be effortlessly accessed here too, minus the Festool premium price:



[Source: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Wire+Brush+with+M14&i=tools&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
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Offline TinyShop

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« Last Edit: October 09, 2020, 01:04 PM by TinyShop »
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2020, 05:48 AM »
"Now if only the narrow finger belt sander attachment wasn't long since discontinued...."

I found a few on Amazon with M14 thread. Probably junk quality, they were both less than $40.
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2020, 09:43 AM »
"Now if only the narrow finger belt sander attachment wasn't long since discontinued...."

I found a few on Amazon with M14 thread. Probably junk quality, they were both less than $40.

I don't think we're talking about the same thing:



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Offline Bob D.

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2020, 03:28 PM »
Well, no, what I found was a POJ on Amazon, but it claims to be a mini belt sander atachment for a 4.5" angle grinder and have an M14 thread.

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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2020, 04:46 PM »
@Bob D. - I stand corrected. That's hysterical. I particularly like the pipe clamp feature. But hey, I bet it might do for that one instance where nothing else will reach. Thanks for the heads up!:)
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Offline Cheese

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2020, 06:16 PM »
Actually that band file attachment is pretty slick. Here's a Milwaukee produced version that I put on a Milwaukee RA grinder. A drive wheel gets mounted to the grinder arbor and the band file head then attaches to the RA grinder body. It'll take either traditional abrasive belts or non-woven web (Scotchbrite) belts.

I've used this one on wood, plastics, stainless & aluminum.  [cool]

I'll have to see if it fits the RAS. [wink]




Offline greg mann

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2020, 08:58 PM »
I loved my HP rpn calculator, Cheese. Bought it in 1988 and used it daily until last year when the keys finally started to fail. If I could get it cleaned properly it would probably be good for another thirty years.

I have an app on my phone that emulates it so I’m still kind of using it.
Greg Mann
Oakland, Michigan

Offline Bob D.

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2020, 09:35 PM »
"That's hysterical. I particularly like the pipe clamp feature."

I know, crazy huh? I guess if you think of it as a disposable tool it could
be justified, and at that price it wouldn't hurt if it saved you an hour or two.
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Offline Cheese

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2020, 11:30 PM »
I loved my HP rpn calculator, Cheese. Bought it in 1988 and used it daily until last year when the keys finally started to fail. If I could get it cleaned properly it would probably be good for another thirty years.

I have an app on my phone that emulates it so I’m still kind of using it.

Hi @greg mann  I know the feeling...I'm not looking forward to the day when they go toes-up.   [crying] [crying] [crying]

Luckily for me, I purchased the engineering version first and then when I went on to the marketing end I picked up the financial version. If HP offered a new version of either one I'd purchase two of them in a heart-beat.

Hard to believe that 40+ years later after myriad bouts with coffee, water, soft drinks, falls from the table and saw dust these things still keep running. They are incredible tools.  [big grin]

Offline Cheese

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2020, 11:11 AM »

Offline Peter_C

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2020, 12:16 PM »
I was in a pinch trying to install a vehicle lift that was poorly welded inside the square tubing, and needed a power file, so I bought the unit below (Using a coupon of course). There is a lot to be said for having individual tools that are ready to go to work. Setup wastes a lot of time. Air driven units are actually more common.
https://www.harborfreight.com/53-amp-12-in-heavy-duty-bandfile-belt-sander-62863.html


Offline rst

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2020, 05:35 PM »
I have two Milwaukee bandfiles and various arms.  One lives in my shop and the other in my van.  They are great for retrofitting commercial/industrial exit hardware and locks.  I also have the Makita 1" version that I use for wood and glass.  The Milwaukees are also useful for cutouts in glass and tile.

Offline TinyShop

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2020, 01:13 AM »
"That's hysterical. I particularly like the pipe clamp feature."

I know, crazy huh? I guess if you think of it as a disposable tool it could
be justified, and at that price it wouldn't hurt if it saved you an hour or two.

Having now had a chance to view this accessory on a large screen (not my phone) I am going to retract my earlier contempt and instead announce my intrigue:

https://youtu.be/Z4_grBC-U80?t=49

At first, I overlooked the integral dust port:

 

Knowing now that it has an allowance for dust extraction piques my interest. As a result, I'm going to add this to my "must have" list since I can envision lots of instances where an add-on tool like this will come in quite handy. Plus, for <US$25 I literally can't go wrong! Now to find a source that will let me pay with PayPal so that I can at least benefit from a de facto 6 month warranty. ;)

Cheers again!
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2020, 01:23 AM »
@Cheese - Do you happen to have a part number for the Milwaukee band file accessory? Is it this one?

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/bandfile-head-assembly-kit-p-135982.html

Also, did it happen to fit the RAS 115 arbor? If not, can you upload a photo of the threaded adapter? If it's not to convert from a U.S. standard to M14 then I'm wondering if a tool (like the RAS 115) with an M14 arbor can fit the attachment minus the need for an adapter.   
Thx. :)
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Offline Cheese

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #20 on: October 11, 2020, 10:15 AM »
@Cheese - Do you happen to have a part number for the Milwaukee band file accessory? Is it this one?

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/bandfile-head-assembly-kit-p-135982.html

Also, did it happen to fit the RAS 115 arbor? If not, can you upload a photo of the threaded adapter? If it's not to convert from a U.S. standard to M14 then I'm wondering if a tool (like the RAS 115) with an M14 arbor can fit the attachment minus the need for an adapter.   
Thx. :)

Hey @TinyShop that Milwaukee item you've linked to looks the same as mine. I don't believe they've changed much at all through the years. My band file attachment is probably at least 15 years old...probably older.

The Milwaukee band file attachment does NOT have a dust port like the Festool one does.

And now for the bad news... [sad]

The collar that the Milwaukee band file attaches to needs to be 46 mm, the Festool collar is 50 mm.




The arbor on the Milwaukee tool is 5/8" while on the Festool it's 14 mm.




The drive shaft attachment is pretty straight forward. A simple threaded tube with some knurling on the outside to grip the belts.






Here's a shot of the Milwaukee set-up.




Another slick item that can be added to a RA grinder is this style of belt drive/belt sander. I've used it on stainless tubing but there's no reason it couldn't be used on wood as long as one end is accessible.
The large metal washers limit the sideways movement of the sanding belt while the black rubber tube becomes the drive mechanism for the belt.




There has to be a 90º twist in the belt so that it grips the rubber drive while also sanding the tube, pipe, baluster. This particular belt is 1/2" x 24", however belts up to 1" in width could be used.




Offline TinyShop

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2020, 11:20 AM »
@Cheese - 4mm?! So close! The arbor difference I was expecting but the collar diameter I was not. Oh well. If only I was a machinist....

BTW I've since found several other power file attachments produced by several European companies but the cheapest, produced for/by Bosch, approaches US$300 (only available as a spare part since the associated machine has been discontinued, sound familiar?) while the others go up from there. I've got some searches saved on eBay.de, .uk, .ch, .es, .fr & .be just in case the Festool version ever pops up but, for now, the Chinese novelty version will have to do.

Thanks so much!:)
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Offline TinyShop

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Re: What is m14 thread type on RAS 115?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2020, 12:30 AM »
More info for posterity:

So, after I realized that I can source all manner of third-party produced 115mm (4-1/2") abrasives and related wire wheels and pads and other accessories (featuring M14 x 2 threading) for the RAS 115 that's set to be delivered to my doorstep sometime this week, I was completely flummoxed why I couldn't find anything in the world comparable to the FiberFix backing pad (485298):



Well, it finally dawned on me why.

So, for anyone out there hoping (like I was) to use a readily available "standard" 115mm (M14 x 2) backing pad like this:


[Source: https://www.weldingoutfitter.com/products/walter-15d042-4-5-x-m14-x-2-0-backing-pad-assembly?variant=19323707782]

...along with the machine's integral dust shroud, listen up:

It appears that the (so it turns out) unique-in-the-world FiberFix pad is unique because, without its thick profile (and absent a jury rigged threaded spacer/standoff to make up the difference - maybe one removed from a cheap standard backing pad since M14x2 threaded spacers are hard to come by), a fiber sanding disc would sit well shy of the hard plastic rim/lip of the dust shroud.

As you can see from the following snip, the shroud is quite deep:



Here's a clearer image:


[Thanks Cheese! :)]

Moreover, even with a thick pad installed (this shows one of the hook and loop pads but same diff), the paper sits just shy of the brushes:


[Thanks Paul! :)]

Now just imagine how far shy of the brushes the paper would sit if a low profile backing pad is used! I'll know once I have the machine in hand, but it may be that there's not even enough clearance to mount a low profile backing pad when the dust shroud is attached - it sure looks like it.

Getting back to the FiberFix pad...since no other manufacturer or user has any need for such a "thick" backing pad (given that no other machine in the marketplace features a dust shroud like the RAS 115's), it appears that Festool (or ProTool or whoever) had to design a special "extra-thick" fiber backing pad around their innovative dust shroud (as opposed to the other way 'round); an accessory which, from what I can tell, is 100% proprietary (so stock up!).

As a curious aside, even though Festool sells - in Europe and Oz - a standard backing pad (#439580) - basically a Festool-branded version of the one shown above:


[Source: https://www.festool.com/accessory/439580---st-d1150-el]

...there is no associated warning included in the UK-version of the RAS 115's manual (I don't speak German so can't easily compare to the German-language version). Similarly, there's also no heads-up provided in the guidance that comes with the accessory itself (which is because there isn't any):




[Source: https://industrie-restposten-kurz.de/produkt/festool-elastic-schleifteller-st-d115-0-el-stuetzteller-439580/

In other words, minus common sense (in short supply with me apparently) - and before now - there wasn't anything that would otherwise alert a user to the incompatibility issue that arises when one attempts to use a standard "low-profile" backing pad in conjunction with the dust shroud. I'm willing to bet that more than one customer over the years has unexpectedly run headlong into this issue and shaken a fist in Wendlingen's general direction.

Anyways, consider yourself forewarned.

Yup, it turns out that even thinking outside the box has its limitations! ;)

[Edit - IOW while you should feel free to use a standard fiber backing pad with 115mm (4-1/2") fiber discs, just don't expect to be able to use the dust shroud at the same time. This combination just won't work (unless, I suppose, you're comfortable employing the use of a separate threaded spacer on a shaft spinning at upwards of 4000RPM in order to build the backing pad out the required distance).]
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