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Offline pettyconstruction

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Vac-sys
« on: January 02, 2021, 09:51 PM »
What is the difference between the Clamping unit SE-1 and SE-2?
Or is there a difference ?
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2021, 10:04 PM »
The SE-1 comes with the set (vacuum pump and clamp head). The SE-2 is intended to add a second clamp head to the existing Vac-Sys pump+SE-1. For one, the SE-2 doesn't include the foot pedal the SE-1 includes. The SE-2 attaches to the foot pedal of the SE-1 (hence the two ports on the back). Kinda eager for a Festool Recon sale of the SE-2 alone, tbh
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2021, 10:13 PM »
Thanks Paul,
I am looking hard at the system. Kinda spendy though.
Charlie


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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2021, 11:07 PM »
Yes it’s kinda speedy. The secret is to have them out and available to use. If you always have them put away then it becomes a hassle to bring them out.
They’re sweet.
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2021, 11:52 PM »
Also----------  The SE1 comes with the round pad. The SE2 comes with the 275mm x 100mm oval pad.

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2021, 12:13 AM »
Yes it’s kinda speedy. The secret is to have them out and available to use. If you always have them put away then it becomes a hassle to bring them out.
They’re sweet.
Rick

Yeah I got them this past summer and I am integrating them into my work bench. I have the se2, just working the last clamp mount.

 I barley use clamps anymore for piece work. It simplifies a lot of clamping ops. Worth every bit spent.



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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2021, 02:42 AM »
I agree with @RJNeal : you need to have it easily available or it will sit there. I stowed mine under the MFT, but it still required a decent amount of setup. After FestoolSedge's Live on the Vac-SYS, I made a similar side mount for the table and custom cart to hold the SE-1 head on that mount, the foot pedal, and accessory SYS. Now it takes seconds to setup. I know I'd use it a lot less if it wasn't for making its setup short and easy. If you want to learn how to make custom heads for it, watch Sedge's Live on it: basically, ply with a bead of silicone, but it helps immensely if you have a lot of similar parts that aren't easily serviced with the accessory heads.
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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2021, 09:11 AM »
Big fan of the Vac Sys. .I made a cart dedicated to it.





I even use vacuum clamp pods to speed up LR32 work



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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2021, 09:52 AM »
Big fan of the Vac Sys. .I made a cart dedicated to it.

I even use vacuum clamp pods to speed up LR32 work



I really like the clamp pods twist...do they still function off of the Festool foot switch?

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2021, 11:01 AM »
I will agree with others, that if you have to set it up each time, you will not use it very often. I have owned mine for several years, but only used it a hand full of times. I like the dedicated stands. They look nice & will be an upcoming project for me very soon.

Last week I used both heads to hold long drawer fronts, so I could rout a profile on the edges.  Today while applying the last coat of finish on the fronts. While spraying the finish on the back sides, I noticed an odd pattern on the on them. Then I realized it was a pattern of the suction cups. Anyone else ever noticed this? 

Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2021, 12:54 PM »
I purchased Vac Sys last year.  Wish I would have purchased it sooner as it quickly became a work holding problem solver.  Like others have shown mine is mounted to the bench. 

Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2021, 02:33 PM »
Spendy (yes Autocorrect changes it to speedy, which is a different criterion for purchase):
SE-1 System Set: $1375
Accessory Set: $380

So far $1755.

Add the SE-2, total is $2230.

Hard decision for a hobbyist. Is my time spent on my hobby a negative or a positive? Does making it easier with the Vac-Sys mean I’ll do more fun things? Maybe.
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2021, 03:28 PM »
Spendy (yes Autocorrect changes it to speedy, which is a different criterion for purchase):
SE-1 System Set: $1375
Accessory Set: $380

So far $1755.

Add the SE-2, total is $2230.

Hard decision for a hobbyist. Is my time spent on my hobby a negative or a positive? Does making it easier with the Vac-Sys mean I’ll do more fun things? Maybe.
The VAC SYS System Set includes the SE-2 head and splitter for the foot valve at $1375.

The VAC SYS System is $990 with the pump, SE-1 head and foot valve.

Confusing naming and the website pics don’t accurately show what’s included in the a System Set.


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Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2021, 07:25 PM »
Thanks for the postings , I will take my Trump money and put it towards a set , the SE-1 set first.
If I feel I need another head, I’ll get it later.
Thanks again,Charlie


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Offline DynaGlide

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2021, 10:47 PM »
Big fan of the Vac Sys. .I made a cart dedicated to it.

I even use vacuum clamp pods to speed up LR32 work



I really like the clamp pods twist...do they still function off of the Festool foot switch?

@Cheese I have mine setup so I use the quarter turn valves to release them. You could use the foot valve but that's holding the panel.
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Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2021, 10:55 PM »
08G8V8--thanks for the correction. Wow, now it looks cheap! And yes, it is confusing.
I actually had to go to the festoolproducts.com website to clarify that.
So $1375 + $380 if you want the accessory heads.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2021, 11:02 PM by Stan Tillinghast »
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Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2021, 11:06 PM »
Dyna-Glide:
It looks like the vacuum clamp pods are permanently screwed on to the rail?
Where did you get those pods, if you please?
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2021, 11:17 PM »
Dyna-Glide:
It looks like the vacuum clamp pods are permanently screwed on to the rail?
Where did you get those pods, if you please?
@DynaGlide I will add my request to this info search.  Thats a fascinating set up.  Also the longer measurement bars are interesting.


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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2021, 04:21 AM »
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2021, 08:12 AM »
Does Festool still offer the pump in a Systainer?

https://www.festool.de/produkte/arbeitsplatz-organisieren/vakuum-spanntechnik/580060---vac-sys-vp#%C3%9Cbersicht

Not in the U.S.

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2021, 09:20 AM »
Thanks Matt. I remember now seeing parts of these threads when they were current.  I was newer to all this then so I didn't know what I didn't know and it went over my head.  But been using LR32 a few times now and always looking for a less clumsy way to do those 261 holes.  I had not seen the one on the pods themselves though.  I reached out to the seller to see where things stand.  Thanks for the pointers.

EDIT:  I heard back from Simon, the creator of the pods system.  COVID has cut into his schedule quite heavily so there is no inventory at this time.  If he gets things running again, he will let me/us know.
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Offline Jeff Zanin

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2021, 09:31 AM »
Agreed with others, Vac-Sys is great but best if kept ready for use.


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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2021, 10:26 AM »
I have mine setup so I use the quarter turn valves to release them. You could use the foot valve but that's holding the panel.

Ahhhh, thanks for that @DynaGlide now I can see the panel you're working on being held in place. The vacuum lines for the pods are tee'd off of the original vacuum connector.  [smile]

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2021, 10:28 AM »
@Cheese it's a slick setup. I never cared for bending down to fuss with clamps to secure the guide rail to the panel.
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2021, 10:33 AM »
@Cheese it's a slick setup. I never cared for bending down to fuss with clamps to secure the guide rail to the panel.

Plus, I have found that using the FT quick clamps, I have dented the panel.  When you first see that, it really causes me to make up new bad words.  I was shoving the clamps all the way up against the panel.  I am trying now to keep it a 1/4" away to minimize the issue.

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2021, 10:36 AM »
@Cheese it's a slick setup. I never cared for bending down to fuss with clamps to secure the guide rail to the panel.

Ya, it seems real slick... [big grin] [big grin]

I have a bunch of kitchen cabinets to build summer/fall 2021, I think I'll pick up a pair of pods to make that task easier.  [smile]

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2021, 10:53 AM »
@Cheese it's a slick setup. I never cared for bending down to fuss with clamps to secure the guide rail to the panel.

Ya, it seems real slick... [big grin] [big grin]

I have a bunch of kitchen cabinets to build summer/fall 2021, I think I'll pick up a pair of pods to make that task easier.  [smile]

I saw the post Simon made about these pods, but at the time didn't have the VAC-SYS.  I recently picked the System Set up and realized how nice this would be......so I looked at his Ebay listing, and they are out of stock.  I messaged him inquiring about them, and he responded he doesn't know if/when they will be available again, due to Covid. 

Offline Stan Tillinghast

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2021, 11:57 AM »
Well, I for one would definitely want to buy a pair of simonh’s pods, so hope they will become available again.
DynaGlide, thanks for the video at the link. One thing I did notice that would bother me is: you were using only one VAC-SYS head, so the panel you were routing moved at each end of the process. I think I would need to have both heads up to prevent that, or have some support at the ends. Has anyone else dealt with that?
Also Dyna-Glide: where did you source the hexagonal rod for your LR-32 side stop extensions?
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Offline Michael Kellough

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2021, 01:35 PM »
Since Simon has no plans to make more pods for sale you can make your own. He used Delrin but HDPE should work just as well and it’s cheaper and easier to mill. With HDPE you might want to make the pod thicker so the area over the slot remains strong enough to resist bending. Or just add a little mechanical reinforcement, pop-rivet a strip of aluminum etc.

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2021, 01:51 PM »
Well, I for one would definitely want to buy a pair of simonh’s pods, so hope they will become available again.
DynaGlide, thanks for the video at the link. One thing I did notice that would bother me is: you were using only one VAC-SYS head, so the panel you were routing moved at each end of the process. I think I would need to have both heads up to prevent that, or have some support at the ends. Has anyone else dealt with that?
Also Dyna-Glide: where did you source the hexagonal rod for your LR-32 side stop extensions?

@Stan Tillinghast It's from McMaster Carr.    89845K77 I bought the 2ft length.

The other tricky part is finding a tape that will fit it. .this is the one I used https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I8RKN68/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The video makes it look like the panel is moving but it really isn't in relation to the vac sys head. Not an issue for this operation unless you're planning on doing much longer panels. These were the sides to ~25" tall base cabinets.

I left the option to add a second vac sys head to my cart but have yet to find a need for it. Maybe if I was working on doors or something.
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2021, 03:25 PM »
Many thanks, Dyna-Glide! [smile]
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2021, 11:58 PM »
I agree with @RJNeal : you need to have it easily available or it will sit there. I stowed mine under the MFT, but it still required a decent amount of setup. After FestoolSedge's Live on the Vac-SYS, I made a similar side mount for the table and custom cart to hold the SE-1 head on that mount, the foot pedal, and accessory SYS. Now it takes seconds to setup. I know I'd use it a lot less if it wasn't for making its setup short and easy. If you want to learn how to make custom heads for it, watch Sedge's Live on it: basically, ply with a bead of silicone, but it helps immensely if you have a lot of similar parts that aren't easily serviced with the accessory heads.

Do you have any pictures of the cart you made to hold the SE1, pedal and systainer?
I checked your blog, but didn’t see it there - just your older vacuum system.
I have been noodling on the exact idea you described.  Something that stows under the MFT and allows quick access/setup of the Vac-Sys.
Otherwise, I forget to use the darn thing because it takes 5 minutes to pull out of the Systainers and hook everything up.  Which kinda defeats the time saving advantage for smaller projects.
There are some really neat Vac-Sys carts pictured in this thread, but I don’t want to dedicate a space for that.

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2021, 08:15 AM »
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2021, 09:41 AM »
RJNeal - your Vac-Sys cart is most excellent!  If I had the space to dedicate to a separate cart I would build something precisely like that.
I was hoping @PaulMarcel would share pictures of his setup.  He mentioned that it slides under an MFT, which is what I'm planning to build.

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2021, 11:11 AM »
Big fan of the Vac Sys. .I made a cart dedicated to it.





I even use vacuum clamp pods to speed up LR32 work


@DynaGlide Where did you get the t-track rails that you use to hang your tape measures?

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2021, 11:16 AM »
@elfick They were made by Calavera Tool. No longer made, now he makes aprons instead.

https://www.woodworkersjournal.com/calavera-tool-works-reimagining-work-gear/



It makes for a nice handle on my cart. I found it at a lumber store when I was in Asheville a few years back and snatched it up since I already had one and wanted another but they were OOS everywhere I looked. I have the one with the 5# bags mounted to my MFT table. I keep Dominos in those.
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2021, 02:03 PM »
My cart certainly isn't as fancy as the other posts in this thread but works well for me.

The board that mounts to the side of the MFT just leans back on the cart for storage. The pocket behind that board is where the foot pedal stows. I put a holder on that board for a weight plate; it isn't necessary but does keep it from moving when I bump it. The Systainer is the accessory kit with the different heads. The pump is sitting under the MFT on that shelf: you can see it in the first photo on the left in the back.
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2021, 03:36 PM »
Awesome, thanks for posting Paul!

Simple is exactly what I was going for.  I like the slanted rest for the head and spot to stow the foot pedal.  And it's skinny enough that you can have another roll board next to it under the MFT.
I think I'll copy that, but make it taller so the Vac-Sys Systainers can be stored under the heads.
Do the exposed heads collecting dust cause you any vacuum issues?  I know the pump motor has a filter - just wasn't sure how sensitive the lines/heads are to dust and junk.
Even though I have plenty of dust extractors I still seem to make a pile of sawdust fairly often... lol

p.s. What do you use the 2" holes on the bottom of the SE holder for?
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2021, 04:01 PM »
Do the exposed heads collecting dust cause you any vacuum issues?  I know the pump motor has a filter - just wasn't sure how sensitive the lines/heads are to dust and junk.

Not that I've noticed, but with it slanted and with the green pin in the middle pushed up by a spring, not a lot that settles would get in there. More likely to get dust there from using it tbh.

p.s. What do you use the 2" holes on the bottom of the SE holder for?

Last couple projects needed both the big round head and the narrower rail head. I drilled those holes to make stowing the other head easier as usually the cart gets pushed back under the MFT (and previously the accessory kit was stored on the wall sysport):

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2021, 05:05 PM »
Handy!
Thanks for taking the time to reply!

Now I’m excited to build myself some Sys-Vac storage!

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2021, 04:13 PM »
Hey all,
Good info in this thread.  Question:  I'm thinking of getting the Vac Sys...does everyone just go ahead and buy the "set" (aka pump, SE1 and SE2) or will just the pump and SE1 be good enough for most things?  I'd mainly be using it to speed up sanding of parts and for speeding up Domino work.  Thanks for the info....
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2021, 04:30 PM »
Hey all,
Good info in this thread.  Question:  I'm thinking of getting the Vac Sys...does everyone just go ahead and buy the "set" (aka pump, SE1 and SE2) or will just the pump and SE1 be good enough for most things?  I'd mainly be using it to speed up sanding of parts and for speeding up Domino work.  Thanks for the info....

As always with these things, "it depends"...

It depends a lot on what type of work you typically do: is it larger pieces that would need two clamps (doors, etc), or smaller work that would only require a single clamp?

The second clamp, besides offering more holding power for heavier items, theoretically also helps prevent rotation.

The difference in price between the "System" and the "Set" is $385, the SE2 alone is $425, so the Set savings is only $40, which is one of the smaller "set" price differentials in Festool's lineup (the MFT/3 set vs. basic is one of the more egregious in this regard).

My understanding is that the pedal that comes with the SE1/System, when paired with the SE2, runs both pads simultaneously, so when you're using two pads you're always unlocking both at the same time, rather than being able to control them independently.  If you want independent control of two pads, I believe you need a second pump and pedal.

The SE2 comes with the oblong pad and the System/SE1 comes with the round pad, so the Set is also a way to get a second pad shape if you want, but it's also something to keep in mind if you think you'd want two of the same pad.  The round pad is only sold separately, there is a Pad Set that includes three different oblong pads.

The Vac-Sys is one of the few items not listed on the 2022 price increase list (other than the accessories).

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2021, 10:01 PM »
Yes, the foot peddle operates both heads at the same time. 

   I think it is well worth having the double head set up. Even though one will easily hold large long pieces, sometimes you want the second for support. You can also support pieces by having them run onto a work surface but then you have the old problem of the bench top in the way of long router bits and such.  Plus it is nice to have two pieces at a time when working through a bunch of small ones.

    I just started using the Vac-Sys recently. It is one of those things that you don't necessarily see the full potential until you have it. It is obvious that it holds flat pieces. But ........

       It is great that there are no obstructions so that you can run a router all the way around with nothing in the way.

       It is great to just turn a knob and spin a piece to the opposite edge when using the Domino.

       It is great to be able to flip from horizontal to vertical in one quick motion.

       I found that you can stick a drawer box on it (even a really big drawer) vertically so that the drawer side is in the horizontal plane to install side mount slides. Do one side, then rotate it to do the other.

       It also becomes a work space / surface/ bench extension. You can do work on the Vac-Sys even if your main bench is fully occupied with other stuff.

      One thing ..................  be sure to set it up so that it is always available with out having to get it out. It needs to be handy and ready to use. Otherwise it will just sit in a storage spot.

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2021, 12:12 AM »
Thanks Squall and SRS.  It sounds obvious that two is better than one in most cases, but what I'm really wondering is that, in folks experience, does everyone find that one clamp head (the system) is good to start getting most things done and two clamp heads (the set) would eventually be better to have?  Trying to see if I can get the system first, start using it, get used to it and then next year add the SE2 to make the set?  Do most folks do that or just dive right into the deep end and get the set?? :) 
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2021, 07:59 AM »
I think starting with one set makes sense and is easier on the wallet as well. If you go full bore I would suspect you might feel the need to often use both heads when only one would truly be enough. By starting with one and using it for the type of work you do I think you will soon determine when and how often the 2nd one would be helpful.
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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2021, 09:51 AM »
Like greg mentioned, I started with a single head just to get my feet wet and that approach worked well.

Here's an example of what a single head is capable of holding. These cabinet sides are about 4' long and 26" wide. Because of the LED wiring and the slide hardware, I couldn't mount the vacuum head in the middle of the panel but had to cantilever it off to one side. This is how the cabinet side was held so that I could Domino the edges, it was approx a 1/3 to 2/3 split. There was no vacuum cup movement or deflection, everything was rock solid.




Offline presidentsdad

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2021, 10:29 AM »
Thanks Greg and Cheese!  That is the info I was looking for! :)  Truth be told, I'll likely end up with both, but it's nice to know that I can start with just one.
PresidentsDad - TS75; FS1900; FS1400 LR32; CT36; RO 150; DF700 XL; Seneca Small Mortise Kit; ETS EC 150/3; OF 1400; VAC SYS System Set, RO 90

Offline presidentsdad

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2021, 04:37 PM »
Another question for the group.  The three pack of system heads has a dupe of what comes with the SE2 (275x100), a narrower version (200x60) and a really narrow version (277x32).  I can see the 200x60 being useful for rails/stiles, is the really narrow one (277x32) useful? Is there a need for the duplicate one from the SE2 (275x100) if you already have one from the SE2??  Trying to see if I need to just get the pack or a couple of the individual items.
PresidentsDad - TS75; FS1900; FS1400 LR32; CT36; RO 150; DF700 XL; Seneca Small Mortise Kit; ETS EC 150/3; OF 1400; VAC SYS System Set, RO 90

Offline squall_line

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2021, 04:58 PM »
Another question for the group.  The three pack of system heads has a dupe of what comes with the SE2 (275x100), a narrower version (200x60) and a really narrow version (277x32).  I can see the 200x60 being useful for rails/stiles, is the really narrow one (277x32) useful? Is there a need for the duplicate one from the SE2 (275x100) if you already have one from the SE2??  Trying to see if I need to just get the pack or a couple of the individual items.

My thought is that if you have two heads, it can't hurt to have a duplicate of the large oblong or the large round pad.  The super narrow pad seems like it would come in handy for 1x2 material depending on what you tend to work on.

I'm in a similar quandary other than the fact that I already have a second large oblong pad, so getting the three-pack would mean trying to sell off one of the large oblongs, but at least I'd have the cool classic systainer to hold them all?

Offline simnick

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2021, 05:45 PM »
The 277x32 was great for me to use last weekend sanding tapered table legs. Even the 200x60 was too large. Also narrow face frames, and other trim type pieces might work on the 277x32. I only had the round and the 277x32, and could do a remarkable amount with those, although I did pick up the rest when discontinuation was announced.
Another question for the group.  The three pack of system heads has a dupe of what comes with the SE2 (275x100), a narrower version (200x60) and a really narrow version (277x32).  I can see the 200x60 being useful for rails/stiles, is the really narrow one (277x32) useful? Is there a need for the duplicate one from the SE2 (275x100) if you already have one from the SE2??  Trying to see if I need to just get the pack or a couple of the individual items.

Offline pettyconstruction

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2021, 06:14 PM »
So a update.
I had emailed Us Tool about the order I placed,asking if it was futile .
I just got a reply sayin that they have a order coming over,and they have 14 available units,so my order will be fulfilled .

Good news.
If you want one, give then a call.
Thanks,
Charlie


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Offline Chainring

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2021, 08:27 PM »
On the subject of the VAC SYS and all the fun stuff to purchase separately, I've put together a list of all the different parts and accessories.

The big VAC SYS setup
Clamping module VAC SYS System Set: 203149 (Contains following three)
Suction-Based Clamping Pump VAC-PMP: 201064
Clamping module VAC SYS SE 1: 201065
Clamping module VAC SYS SE 2: 580062

The smaller VAC-SYS setup
Clamping module VAC SYS System: 203148 (Contains following two)
Suction-Based Clamping Pump VAC-PMP: 201064
Clamping module VAC SYS SE 1: 201065

The VAC SYS accessory kit with three heads
Vac-Sys Vacuum Pad Set: 495294 (Contains following three)
Vacuum Cup VT 200 x 60, Small: 580064
Vacuum Cup VT 277 x 32, Narrow: 580065
Vacuum Pad VT 275 x 100: 580066

Separate parts and pieces from the systems
Vacuum Cup VAC SYS VT 275 x 100: 580066 (Comes with VAC SYS SE 2)
Vacuum Cup VAC SYS VT D 215: 580067 (Comes with VAC SYS SE 1)
Vacuum Hose D 16 x 5m VAC SYS: 495293
Foot Valve VAC SYS FV: 580063

MFT Bracket
Adapter VAC SYS AD MFT 3: 494977

If you purchased the big VAC SYS kit with two heads, you'd only need two of the heads from the accessory kit to have all of them.

Vacuum Cup VT 200 x 60, Small: 580064
Vacuum Cup VT 277 x 32, Narrow: 580065

Offline simnick

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2021, 09:53 PM »
Any recommendations for vacuum hose? I want to hook up some other vacuum accessories up to my VAC-SYS (including trying veneering), I already have the v-type couplers needed.
Can I just use pneumatic air hose?

Offline squall_line

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2021, 10:25 PM »
Any recommendations for vacuum hose? I want to hook up some other vacuum accessories up to my VAC-SYS (including trying veneering), I already have the v-type couplers needed.
Can I just use pneumatic air hose?
@simnick, try these threads:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/vacuum-pump-for-vac-sys/

https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/sys-vac-question/msg539496/#msg539496

Offline Cheese

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Re: Vac-sys
« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2021, 01:46 AM »
Any recommendations for vacuum hose? I want to hook up some other vacuum accessories up to my VAC-SYS (including trying veneering), I already have the v-type couplers needed.
Can I just use pneumatic air hose?

You really want to use actual vacuum hose that’s designed for the task.  It has a thicker/stiffer wall that prevents it from collapsing.