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Offline Infected98

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TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« on: March 24, 2021, 03:56 PM »
Hi everyone,

Contemplating new tool purchase.
Was thinking about getting a TS75 but the saw has "magically disappeared" on both the dutch .nl site and the international .com site.
Is there going to be a new generation of TS75 (TS80/85/?) using new 1.8 mm cutting blades (similar to the new TS55-FEBQ) in the (near) future?
The TS75 is still being sold but I'd rather wait for a "decisively improved" version.

Any advice / info is appreciated,
Thanks in advance.


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Offline mino

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2021, 04:12 PM »
Hi everyone,

Contemplating new tool purchase.
Was thinking about getting a TS75 but the saw has "magically disappeared" on both the dutch .nl site and the international .com site.
Is there going to be a new generation of TS75 (TS80/85/?) using new 1.8 mm cutting blades (similar to the new TS55-FEBQ) in the (near) future?
The TS75 is still being sold but I'd rather wait for a "decisively improved" version.

Any advice / info is appreciated,
Tanks in advance.
You will probably not get a firm answer until a final decision is made. As of now it looks like a casualty of shortage of production capacity which is temporary due to the Covid situation.

In any case, I would not wait for "improved" TS75 as there is really nothing that can be "substantially improved" there. Maybe a TS55-style anti-splinter guard here and a bit better dust port there. But there is no space for a game-changing improvement with that saw.


Ref the blades, that is easy. There is no way you can get a sufficiently stable blade at 1.8 kerf and 210 mm blade diameter so physics will disagree with any thinning here.

The thinner kerf at 160mm was to both unite the blade range with the HKC which requires thinner kerf for power reasons and to better compete with Maffel saws. There are no such needs with the TS75 and it being a more hardwood-geared tool I would argue the pressures are for a more stable blade if anything ..
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Offline binettea

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2021, 07:48 PM »
I'm glad I got mine last Fall! I had picked that saw for it's large cutting depth capacity in a track saw model.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2021, 07:55 PM »
Someone spotted it as being "temporarily out of stock" on festools website, which is very odd.  So probably shouldn't jump to the "discontinued" path too fast. They very well just have parts shortages.

Now given the other saws just got an update, and it's an oddball, a change wouldn't be that shocking.  I could see them going back to an 85 saw for the big TS, and make it more of a sister saw to the HK85, much like the HK55/TS55 setup. Or they simply make some changes like they just did on the 55s. To make an updated 75.

Given a 75 is for cutting thick solid wood, verses the 55s being for sheet goods, I suspect removal of riving knife would not be a good move.  Solid wood doesn't play as nice as plywood.

Offline Svar

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2021, 11:46 PM »
In any case, I would not wait for "improved" TS75 as there is really nothing that can be "substantially improved" there. Maybe a TS55-style anti-splinter guard here and a bit better dust port there. But there is no space for a game-changing improvement with that saw.
Also a bit more power, better trunions, plunge hinge with bronze bushings and no slop (learn from Mafell). So, it adds up.

Offline Coen

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2021, 12:40 PM »
Festool should publicly say something about things being discontinued or just being sold out at the moment.  [huh]

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2021, 12:46 PM »
Festool should publicly say something about things being discontinued or just being sold out at the moment.  [huh]

Maybe public rumor mongering is how they do market survey's now for future product planning.   [big grin]

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2021, 12:27 AM »
In any case, I would not wait for "improved" TS75 as there is really nothing that can be "substantially improved" there. Maybe a TS55-style anti-splinter guard here and a bit better dust port there. But there is no space for a game-changing improvement with that saw.
Also a bit more power, better trunions, plunge hinge with bronze bushings and no slop (learn from Mafell). So, it adds up.

+1 on needing more power

Offline Infected98

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TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ??? - Time will tell
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2021, 03:46 AM »
Hi everyone,

Thank you all very much for your replies!
I have no doubt there will be a big brother of the TS55 that will be in store in the future since there has been one at least since 1996.
Whether it will be a TS75 as we know it (when shortage of production capacity is history) or a "decisively improved" version (with bigger cut-depth / more power / better trunions / plunge hinge with bronze bushings and no slop / improved anti-splinterguard / better dust port / less weight / …) only time will tell.
I am in no hurry to make a decision so I will wait and see (and maybe get another nice FesToy in the meantime).
Keep safe (both in the shop and from covid)!
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Offline Bob D.

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2021, 06:08 AM »
Maybe the TS75 will get the 'K' option like the TS55 recently did so production has paused as they sell down current inventory prior to introducing the new and improved version. 
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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2021, 09:05 AM »
They read my rant here the other day about wanting a TS65 so now a few heads have rolled and they're frantically working on replacing the TS75 with a new TS65.  [tongue]

Offline Bob D.

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2021, 11:32 AM »
They read my rant here the other day about wanting a TS65 so now a few heads have rolled and they're frantically working on replacing the TS75 with a new TS65.  [tongue]

LOL, some times you have to be careful what you ask for....it might come true.  [scared]
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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2021, 11:50 AM »
They read my rant here the other day about wanting a TS65 so now a few heads have rolled and they're frantically working on replacing the TS75 with a new TS65.  [tongue]

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Offline Christophl

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2021, 04:19 PM »
I need a big depth cut TS, and am wondering, should I buy one now or wait?  I know this is very subjective question, and I'm seriously leaning to just buying the current version as I have no TS at the moment.

I was going to go with the Makita when I was considering a smaller TS due to a video I now can't find, that showed the Makita had less tearout than the Festool.  But I really want/'need' the 75 ;)

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2021, 05:17 PM »
I imagine the video you refer to is the one produced a couple of months back by Jonathan Katz-Moses.  If so, it's a ridiculous 'review'.  He's lazy and over-opinionated about something he has no business reviewing in the first place in such a half-baked manner.


Think that's harsh?  The man references the splinter guard at 14 minutes in, but doesn't bother actually fitting it.  He says just seconds later:



"Now, full disclosure,  I've never actually used this so I'd maybe have to read the manual, because it does looks like it does hit the blade, so maybe you cut into it a little bit and then you get that perfect zero clearance or it's just for scoring, ummmm, I'd have to do a little more research to give you my full opinion on that"


Well, that's just stupid stuff.  The tool is equipped with a feature which very effectively eliminates tear-out on the waste side.  And if you look at what he shows on camera after making his cuts, he's showing the waste pieces, not the clean edge (on top anyway) that remains on the sheet he's taken strips off with the saws. 


If you pay attention you'll see that the depth of cut is barely enough to cut through the material he's cutting.  Just barely enough, which is why he's also getting tear-out on the underside, on both sides of the blade.  15:08 is the timestamp.  Screenshot attached.





I can't understand how anyone thinks this guy is an authority on anything, especially as an impartial reviewer of any sort.  His nonsense at the start of the video is just that, absolute nonsense.  Festool wanted a promotional partnership.  He misrepresents it as Festool looking to pay him for a positive review.  They didn't do that, he completely distorts what they were asking of him.  They have a marketing budget and asked what a particular spend could generate in terms of content on his channel.  He publishes the email - It's as plainly put by Festool as it can be.  They basically ask that if they partner with him until year end, pay him $6000 and give him a free saw, what could he suggest he could do.  He then soapboxes in his reply, before going on about how he never takes payments for positive reviews, except he does, but not for direct payment, just in the form of "a small kickback from a company for recommending their products".


Talk about a hypocritical time-waster.  The man has no business taking peoples time like this and distorting the outcome of a 'Comprehensive (give me a break!) comparison and review' - He didn't even fit the splinter guard.  It's beyond me why folks would believe what he has to say about anything other than himself.  He's entirely self promotional and all about selling his stop-blocks, pushing plans, aprons and merchandise.


Ignore the fool.  Buy a TS75 if you'd like one and can find one at the moment.  They're excellent tools.








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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2021, 06:42 PM »
I need a big depth cut TS, and am wondering, should I buy one now or wait?  I know this is very subjective question, and I'm seriously leaning to just buying the current version as I have no TS at the moment.

I was going to go with the Makita when I was considering a smaller TS due to a video I now can't find, that showed the Makita had less tearout than the Festool.  But I really want/'need' the 75 ;)

I recently got ahold of a a TS75 to go along with the TS55 that I have had for some time. The biggest percentage of what I do is sheet goods and the TS55 is great for that. It starts running into lack of power issues if you actually cut at full depth, especially in hard wood, but that's the trade-off of such a small lightweight tool.
The TS75 has no such issues, but it is a significantly larger/heavier saw.
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Offline Christophl

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2021, 12:46 PM »
I imagine the video you refer to is the one produced a couple of months back by Jonathan Katz-Moses.  If so, it's a ridiculous 'review'.  He's lazy and over-opinionated about something he has no business reviewing in the first place in such a half-baked manner.


Think that's harsh?  The man references the splinter guard at 14 minutes in, but doesn't bother actually fitting it.  He says just seconds later:



"Now, full disclosure,  I've never actually used this so I'd maybe have to read the manual, because it does looks like it does hit the blade, so maybe you cut into it a little bit and then you get that perfect zero clearance or it's just for scoring, ummmm, I'd have to do a little more research to give you my full opinion on that"


Well, that's just stupid stuff.  The tool is equipped with a feature which very effectively eliminates tear-out on the waste side.  And if you look at what he shows on camera after making his cuts, he's showing the waste pieces, not the clean edge (on top anyway) that remains on the sheet he's taken strips off with the saws. 


If you pay attention you'll see that the depth of cut is barely enough to cut through the material he's cutting.  Just barely enough, which is why he's also getting tear-out on the underside, on both sides of the blade.  15:08 is the timestamp.  Screenshot attached.


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I can't understand how anyone thinks this guy is an authority on anything, especially as an impartial reviewer of any sort.  His nonsense at the start of the video is just that, absolute nonsense.  Festool wanted a promotional partnership.  He misrepresents it as Festool looking to pay him for a positive review.  They didn't do that, he completely distorts what they were asking of him.  They have a marketing budget and asked what a particular spend could generate in terms of content on his channel.  He publishes the email - It's as plainly put by Festool as it can be.  They basically ask that if they partner with him until year end, pay him $6000 and give him a free saw, what could he suggest he could do.  He then soapboxes in his reply, before going on about how he never takes payments for positive reviews, except he does, but not for direct payment, just in the form of "a small kickback from a company for recommending their products".


Talk about a hypocritical time-waster.  The man has no business taking peoples time like this and distorting the outcome of a 'Comprehensive (give me a break!) comparison and review' - He didn't even fit the splinter guard.  It's beyond me why folks would believe what he has to say about anything other than himself.  He's entirely self promotional and all about selling his stop-blocks, pushing plans, aprons and merchandise.


Ignore the fool.  Buy a TS75 if you'd like one and can find one at the moment.  They're excellent tools.

Thank you so much for the detailed response Paul!  And you were right, that's the video.  Great and very applicable counter arguments!  I feel somewhat foolish for not paying enough attention to the details, and as a retired physician...I'm not impressed with my critical listening skills lol

I can def. see though how the depth of cut and the lack of splinter guard would seriously affect the cut quality. 

Thanks Paul and Crazyraceguy!  I ordered the TS75...and yes I'm a bit worried about it being too big to work on a MFT like outfeed table I plan to build, but I only wanted one TS.  Fingers crossed as this is my very first Festool tool!

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2021, 01:58 PM »
An interesting fact, regarding splinter guard use.
I nearly ever se a pre-owned Festool TS saw for sale that has the splinter guard in place.
According to a couple of pro’s I have talked to they tend to only use it when cutting laminated sheets or counter tops, especially plunge cuts for sink cutouts (As was the initial purpose for the plunge function - made for fitters/installers). Instead they rely on sharp blade, right blade for the job and cutting techniques.

The Makita and Festool are very close to each other in every department.
You should check out these guys if you want to see some very good reviews and tests of tools:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3I6PldFPpj0&feature=share

I’ve a TS 75, it’s bigger, heavier, more bulky and it does what it says on the tin with more grunt.
Good luck with the TS 75  [smile]
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Offline Crazyraceguy

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2021, 06:52 PM »
I'm one of those users. I don't use the splinter guard every time either. I guess it's mostly to save wear and tear on it, since most of the time I don't care about the off-cut side or I'm not cutting something that would matter.
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Offline FestitaMakool

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2021, 06:59 PM »
My Festool table saw (CS 50) comes with a splinter guard, I have yet to test or use it ..
The stock blade has given very good results without it.
I believe I’ll put it to work when I’ll do some very critical work. Still, on hardwood and plywood I haven’t seen the need so far (And I keep forget that I have the option to fit it).
The blade attack angle and feed rate seems to eliminate tear out quite well in combination with each other.

My other table saw (wich is mostly used for timber) does have more tear out despite fitting a zero clearance insert - it helps yes, but I’d better sharpen or exchange the blade to see some major improvement.
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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2021, 01:20 AM »
When I got my CS70 around 10 years ago, I bought a bag of splinter guards for it. I still have 11 or 12 of the 15 that were in it.

I only used the splinter guard extensively once, when I had to make a large cabinet with melamine board, but to be honest, I didn't see much improvement over the cut without the splinter guard. Most important for cut quality was the very sharp special laminate blade.

You can only use the splinter guard when you cut straight at a 90 degree angle. So everytime I had to cut under another angle I had to remove the splinter guard, which was irritating. I solved my irritation by never using the splinter guard again.

Offline Lysdexia

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2021, 05:04 AM »
Don’t consider this as official, but I spoke to Festool Australia today enquiring when they would get stock of the TS75 in, and was told it’s been discontinued as of two weeks ago. I was able to find stock at a store interstate and getting one of the last ones in the country sent to me.

There’s no replacement model that they’ve been told about.

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2021, 05:00 PM »
The TS 75 is not permanently discontinued, just temporarily. Festool is having a difficult time with social distancing issues in the factory amid Covid restrictions in Europe. This combined with a massive surge in tool sales (everyone spending money on their house as overseas travel has just about stopped completely) has left Festool to make the decision to temporarily stop production on lower selling tools to keep up with production on more popular items. The TS 75 is due back into Australia next year at some stage.

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2021, 05:34 PM »
Well, I'm late, but someone posted on Reddit yesterday that US Tool & Fastener had received a shipment of TS-75s. Sold out in one day. So they are showing up slowly. If manufacturing was paused, then these must be off slow-boats.
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Offline Lysdexia

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2021, 09:39 PM »
The language used by Festool Australia was specifically “discontinued” and as stock won’t be reaching the country for 6 months or more, it’s as good as discontinued I guess. Either way, I got mine as it were so I’m not bitter, only sharing the conversation I had.

Offline Paul_HKI

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Re: TS75 - ??? DISCONTINUED ???
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2021, 06:38 PM »
The language used by Festool Australia was specifically “discontinued” and as stock won’t be reaching the country for 6 months or more, it’s as good as discontinued I guess. Either way, I got mine as it were so I’m not bitter, only sharing the conversation I had.


I've asked at Festool here and was told it's not discontinued, just not in production at the moment.  To my understanding, the production lines for some machines are being moved from one European site to another at the moment, which further complicates things regarding utilisation/uptime of machinery, materials and supply chain logistics (which has its own major challenges due to Covid etc) and naturally their ability to pump out whatever the Festool userbase might be waiting for.  Give it some time and it'll improve.  The word was, end of the year, but don't be surprised if it's early next year for TS75's to reappear in any sort of quantity, at least in Europe.


Which 'counter chat' holds up?  We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.
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