This is a weird move, on the ts55 the location of the plugit connector was a bit awkward, this is improved on the TS60 (I'm curious too about the reason for the change to a fixed cord on the US version )

(I misread your post earlier, and thought you were talking about the KS 60, where it's logical to have a fixed cord, my guess is it's a 110V thing, a lot of tools that are equiped with an electronic brake, don't have that feature on the 110V version, the "B" in the EBQ suffix)

It is indeed quite weird that this TOTL saw has no détachable cable in the USA.

Actually I find it even weirder that it is corded, the current trend is to make cordless tools.
Lassume they will launch a cordless version.
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I'm detecting a bill of materials savings. Raw cord with the plug in only does the job of delivering power without the plug-it male and plug-it female connectors. For me I don't care as all of my other tools have traditional cords and it's never been an issue.

[Ya, the TS 75 draws 13.33 amps while the TS 60 draws 13 amps. If the current draw is such a big deal, Festool had the perfect opportunity to replace the Plug-It on the TS 75 with a hard wired cord during the pandemic when supplies of TS 75 saw was non-existent and they actually shut down the TS 75 production line. So Festool had a good year to rectify the situation if it was really an issue, but the TS 75 returned without a single change.

The Milwaukee version Quik-Lok, supports up to 15 amps so it's certainly not an unachievable situation.

There is this difference where an (UL, etc.) approved appliance is "grandfathered" for the production run in most cases when regulation or its interpretation changes.

One can keep making the (exact) same tool even after approving a new or updated tool with same parameters becomes a no-go.

That said, this looks likely to be a sales decision. Prolly FT USA got feedback that more people are annoyed by the PlugIt system than see it as a value add. I am sure on FOG the ratio is opposite. But the TS60 will be the brand leader for Festool so they probably are shooting for wider demographic here.

Many (unknowledgeable) folks see the detachable cord as an (undesirable) "gimmick" as they see the dust extractor for their sander as a gimmick too. Everyone sands outside, right, right !? ...

The core use for PlugIt is when using the saw with a dust extractor where one has both PlugIt and the hose hanging from the arm with only the tool being changed. That is a quite common use case in the small town/city/garage shops in Europe. I guess not so common in the US ...

... the Plug-It on my TS55 has never been unplugged since the day I bought it, and neither will the cord on my TS60....

Aaand here is one cause/reason. Any small-surface pluggable connector, excepting industrial plugs which trade this for supporting only a couple hudred unplugs, needs to be periodically plugged/unplugged for safety reasons. If this is not done, over time there will be oxidation layer formed and the connector will start arcing and burn out prematurely. Plugging/unplugging once a while solves this by scratching-out a micro layer of oxidation on each insertion, "renewing" the contact surface.

It is my opinion that PlugIt, or any such small connector, would never pass safety review if one of the use cases was "permanently attached". Not at its maximum rating.

Her we have seasoned professionals convinced not re-plugging a connector for several years is OK or even desirable. Then it is quite obvious why Festool would want to limit its deployment to lower wattage tools. Aka where the safety risks are less so even when not plugged/unplugged once a while.

This would manifest mainly at 110/120V, given the twice-higher current loads. And being brushless can be the culprit as well. The better immediate torque inevitably means higher (momentary) current that a similar (rated) current brushed tool does not generate. Since arcing from bad contact happens at short periods during start or intermittent load spikes this may be unique to the brushless AC configuration while a non-issue in the "traditional" TS75 design.

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Here's the evidence, these are all TS 60 KEBQ photos culled from original Festool sources.
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But here's the smoking gun...in a SYS³ Systainer no less]

Unfortunately these are all images of the NAINA 230V TS 60 KEBQ version, aka "the original".

The "fixed cord only" topic is for the 110V UK and the 120V US versions ...

ADD:
The UK site has a single photo set with the KEBQ version show even when you select the 110V KEB ... but when one checks the accessories list, the PlugIt is missing from the 110V KEB version.

The "fixed cord only" topic is for the 110V UK and the 120V US versions ...

ADD:
The UK site has a single photo set with the KEBQ version show even when you select the 110V KEB ... but when one checks the accessories list, the PlugIt is missing from the 110V KEB version.

Thanks for that... interesting it's only the 230 volt saw that gets the Plug-It. 

And that also explain why the 110/120 volt versions retain the Plug-It capability. 

I have said it before, but actually counted and took a pic today.
Woodbutcherbower had it exactly right, in his comment. I am shop-bound and on the bench every day, with a CT on each end. I use a single 16ga cable connected to both of them, the rest are sitting in a drawer. My Plug-its get plugged and unplugged very frequently. That was the reason for the comment one time about having all of the connectors facing the same direction.

I already have a Plug-it connector coming to convert it. The same part# fits both the TS55 and TS75, so I figure it will work here too. The saw is supposed to be in my hands tomorrow, but the connector my not until Wednesday.  For anyone who might be interested in voiding their warranty  the part is 491725 and costs about $35.
I have 8 of the 18ga version and 5 of the 16ga in that pile. That doesn't even count the ones on the CTs and of course the RAS115 is hardwired. It however doesn't have the correct shape. It's an old design from before they existed.

I have heard a few "stories" about why the missing Plug-it, but none of them make sense to me.
Certainly, it's not about money. That cable can't be any less costly.
It can't be about amperage, the TS75 has it.
If the really wanted to save some money, leave the cable out entirely. Make it an additional item at the time of purchase, then it could be your choice.  At nearly $50 (as a spare part) that is quite a waste of money sitting there and I would never buy the 18ga version anyway. The 16ga fits everything.

Just received my TS 60.

I guess I should have visited this group prior to ordering it.
I was shocked to see a hard-wired cable.

I would never have purchased the saw if I had known that.

I'm not buying the amperage BS story, either.
They had better offered a retrofit that adapts the plug it connector down the road.

Over to you, @Crazyraceguy ................

Just received my TS 60.

I guess I should have visited this group prior to ordering it.
I was shocked to see a hard-wired cable.

I would never have purchased the saw if I had known that.

I'm not buying the amperage BS story, either.
They had better offered a retrofit that adapts the plug it connector down the road.

Welcome to the Forum!  Sorry to read of your surprise at a permanent cord.  Obviously if it bothers you enough you have the ability to return the saw under the trial period according to the rules of that program.  Yes, someone here has found an alternative, but that person also understands the pros and cons of doing so.

Hope you enjoy your saw if you do decide to keep it!

Peter

I'd rather return the saw than risk losing the warranty with a modification, if the cord issue is indeed so critical to its use.

Or if it's used in a setting in which UL approval is meaningful.

Although I do have to say, this forum isn't the only place that the fixed cord is mentioned.  Sedge brought it up during the Festool Live episode that included the TS60 and other previews mentioned similar things.

Just received my TS 60.

I guess I should have visited this group prior to ordering it.
I was shocked to see a hard-wired cable.

I would never have purchased the saw if I had known that.

I'm not buying the amperage BS story, either.
They had better offered a retrofit that adapts the plug it connector down the road.

Don't over play the corded part. If the saw performs as you want it keep it. Probably cheaper to attach the cord directly add the plug-it adapter and include a cord with the plug-it end that definitely cost more than a hard-wired cord.

I have the 2200 and large sander and hard-wired never slowed me down.

I just got off the phone with Eric at Festool Applications. He tells me that even though the website clearly shows the TS 60 with a plug-it cord, there are no plans to make it happen.

He also confirmed that the soon-to-be-released TSV 60 will not have a plug-it cord, even though all the website photos and email ads they send me show one.

He confirmed that the issue is a lack of power to the motor.

I asked why they show both saws with plug-it cords and mentioned that it sure appears like false advertising.
He was quick to point out a disclaimer on the website.

So, I guess Festool cares more about the legality of covering their ass than they do the morality of advertising an accurate product,

To me, this lack of a cord is a deal killer. And since they are doing it in Europe, I don't buy their BS of 220 vs. 110, it's all about current capacity, not voltage. If their plug-it connector is that crappy, they shouldn't be using them on any of their tools.

Your thoughts?

Eh, you are really looking for malice when in reality it is just a lack fo awareness of specific workers.

FT is a global company based in Gemrnay. Everywhere - outside the US - these saws do come with a PlugIt so all "general" marketing photos that are made prior to US release and available to Festool USA would show the 230V versions with PlugIt.

What happened is the website folks simply "misses" that those saws will *not* include it in their 110V versions. That is very much unlike will almost all other Festool products that are not NAINA ...

Sucks for sure. But there is exactly zero malice in people making wrong assumptions.

 Mino.

How can you say it's a simple mistake?

They are still using the same photos TODAY, and the TS 60 was released a month ago. The TSV 60 hasn't been released and is a different photo. If they removed or changed photos, then they are forgiven.
The fact that they are STILL using the same bad photos show "MALICE"

It’s about Americans. The brushless motor is more sensitive to perfect power. Americans are too lazy to fully twist the plug it. Festool is just avoiding the round of Americans whining about their burned out ts 60’s. 

Hey  Mino,

It looks like you're not even in the US and yet you seems to think it's not a big deal.

Two thoughts:
1. IF you had to use this thing like we do you might think differently.
2. Personal; question: Is your last name Festool? How much do they pay you?

@BruceC
Were my posts seen as "seem to think it is not a big deal" then it was possibly due to a too ambiguous wording.

The matter is purely technical as far as I am concerned. Brushless motors observe (well, more like "can consume") way higher peak currents at the outlet. That is where they get their torque and what makes them superior to brushed motors in corded tools. It also separates them from tools like the TS 75 in this context.

Knowing that and being a physicist by study, I propose that with the TS 60 the PlugIt is *not* limited by continuous current but by peaks which would be prone to arcing inside the connector. Every connector is both specced for continous and peak currents, and here the peaks would be the limiting factor.

To remediate such a problem, there are two options:

A) Limit the peak currents at the electornics, that would limit the available peak torque and "cap" the performance of the saw compared to what the motor can do unrestricted. Would also need special /read: more time needed to validate/ firmware for the US, delaying the US release. A year plus, possibly.
=> Hence the Sedge comment of time-to-market.

B) Remove the PlugIt (limitation), allowing for full performance.
=> Hence the Sedge comment of wanting to retain full performance.

The US being such a litiguous society, pushing the connectors beyond what Festool specs (internally) as safe was a no-go. Should even one saw burn out, they would lose a civil lawsuit in no time and be forced to a mass recall ... the public backlash possibly ending with Festool dropping PlugIt outright in the US. They are treading on thin ice as it is vis-a-vis the mains-powered devices regulations.


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I absolutely love PlugIt.
Were I in US, I would go the CRG way BUT I am a technically qualified customer so if the connnector burnt out, I could handle that easily.

For official sales, though, there is just no way Festool could "have their cake and eat it".

The best option a fan customer could have hoped was two versions being released:
A neutered one with PlugIt (but then, why no get a TS 55 ?) and a "full  power" one without. And I guess 90% folks would go with the corded one ..

Still, if people *want* an official PlugIt model, do poke your Festool reps!

They may decide the investment is worth it and make such a neutered SKU specially for the US market. Just do realize such a version could easily warrant a $100 price increase ... depending on the sales projections.


EDIT:
DISCLOSURE: I have no relationship with Festool other than being a customer of theirs. I do happen to live in a country which has one of the TTS manufacturing facilities (the former Narex plant at Ceska Lipa) and happen to be using tools made at that plant even before TTS bought them in 1990s. So it is a bit of a "home" brand to me, if that matters to your politics.

But the special part, why I may seem -admittedly- "attached" to Festool by now is them retaining the "old" ways for "make it good and the customers will come" attitude. The same reason I have an immense respect for the likes of Maffel, Fein or Mirka. None of whose tools I own. I strongly believe that attitude approach being so rare these days it is worth defending. Evil to win, the good people need only stand by.

When people presume/smear -active- and conscious malice by default from either of such makers, dumping them along the Walmarts of this world, I will object. No matter the cause. There is a world of difference between a bad decision and a malicious one. And that is even assuming it was "bad" in the first place.

Please note that two threads have now been combined.   That might cause some confusion in the posting sequence above this message.

Peter Halle - Moderator

so how much does the resistance increase from the other end of the cord? you now the end that plugs into the dust collector?

carvex in usa is brushless and plug it

The rating on the TS60 is 13 Amps.

The Carvex uses a 400W motor, which draws 3.5 Amps, or barely more than 1/4 of what the TS60 draws.  It draws less than 1/5 of what the OF 2200 pulls. 

You're not likely to melt a Plug-it connector with a 3.5 Amp motor, even with the brushless "spikes"