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Offline Peter Halle

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Re: TS 60 Fixed Cord
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2023, 05:57 AM »
I know that the lack of a fix-it cord is an issue for some. Festool also does make mistakes when they use stock images for the catalogs and other media when there are differences in tools caused by requirements of different geographical markets.  When you buy a tool you have that trial period which happens to be 30 days in North America.  If the tool isn't want you wanted as you stated - "I would never have purchased the saw if I had known that." - you had the opportunity.  Whether or not you believe Festool's stated reasons, your saw has a fixed cord.  If your posts are intended to shame Festool into doing something special for you - good luck.  Festool has proven over time to have a very thick skin.

SO, to all, let's keep this thread civil and cease attacks on members.  Trolling will not be tolerated

Oh, and before the question is asked, my name is Peter Halle.  I am a Moderator here and have been for more than 13 years, I do not work for Festool, and am not paid by Festool.

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Re: TS 60 Fixed Cord
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2023, 06:01 AM »
Please note that two threads have now been combined.   That might cause some confusion in the posting sequence above this message.

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Offline AstroKeith

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Re: TS 60 Fixed Cord
« Reply #32 on: August 18, 2023, 08:26 AM »
As a physicist, let me add some facts.

The 5m cable has a resistance of about 130 milliOhm.
A typical connector has a contact resistance of 20 milliOhm (each line), when new.
So the plug it will add at least 40 milliOhm to the 130, an increase of >30%.

Brushless motors with electronic speed control draw very high peak current in the form of pulses. These pulses are critical to driving the motor efficiently. A loss of current will at best lead to a loss of torque, but definitely a lot of heat as the motor runs outside its design boundaries. (ps: I also design telescope drive systems using digital motors, and these two factors are very evident).

The difference in running off 110V versus 230V is clearly a factor of two reduction in current. The voltage drop in a conductor is R*I^2 so the reducing the voltage by x2 increases the voltage drop by x4.

There are therefore at least two factors to be considered - the loss torque/power and the excess heat in the motor.

So, the supply voltage is key. It's not BS.

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Offline glass1

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Re: TS 60 Fixed Cord
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2023, 07:32 PM »
so how much does the resistance increase from the other end of the cord? you now the end that plugs into the dust collector?
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Offline glass1

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Re: TS 60 Fixed Cord
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2023, 07:47 PM »
carvex in usa is brushless and plug it
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Offline squall_line

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Re: TS 60 Fixed Cord
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2023, 10:49 PM »
Quote from: glass1 on August 19, 2023, 07:47 PM
carvex in usa is brushless and plug it

The rating on the TS60 is 13 Amps.

The Carvex uses a 400W motor, which draws 3.5 Amps, or barely more than 1/4 of what the TS60 draws.  It draws less than 1/5 of what the OF 2200 pulls. 

You're not likely to melt a Plug-it connector with a 3.5 Amp motor, even with the brushless "spikes"
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Offline alltracman78

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Re: TS 60 Fixed Cord
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2023, 12:33 AM »
I wonder why the HK85 doesn't have the plug it? It's only 8 amps (240 volts)?
And the 240 volt of2200? Should be about the same?

Quote from: glass1 on August 19, 2023, 07:32 PM
so how much does the resistance increase from the other end of the cord? you now the end that plugs into the dust collector?

That 20 mO was an average resistance. So would also apply to the other end. 40 mO total for the "wall" plug end.
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