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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: TKS 80 and Dado set
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2020, 04:37 PM »

I wonder if the US sales of Mafell Erika 70 have gone from a few per year to 1-2 per year when they changed it to 220 v. For some extra money, you could get the Erika 85.

I doubt TWT will ever tell house many they sell, but clearly they sell. It's not like there is a big web forum presence, I think folks with them just stay low key.  They sell enough of them for it to be worth TWT time/effort.

I'm really not sure why someone would buy the 70 over the 85.  Even before they went back to the EU model, I couldn't see much reason for it.  Anyone spending that money on the saw can/will wire a 220V plug up for it.  And I really doubt many contractors going to jobs move one around.  Lack of 220V dust extractors in the US is the bigger issue, and part of why I keep saying Festool should sell some of their stuff in 230V here.  There is a market.

I wish there was an Erika 90, so you could get thru a 4x4 in one pass.

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Offline Tom Gensmer

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Re: TKS 80 and Dado set
« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2020, 03:11 PM »
I actively use a Erika 70 for on-site fitting, and I really appreciate that as a “regular” 120V machine I can plug it into any convenience plug and get to work. It also runs fine on my Honda EU3000Handi generator.

With the recent Erika facelift, all models are still produced but only in 230V format. At that point, yes I don’t see a reason why a user wouldn’t opt for the Erika 85, except that it wouldn’t be as convenient for “quickie” on-site work in North America, though it would be fine for extended installs where it’s justifiable to take the time to plug into the oven/drier outlet.

If something untoward were to happen to my Erika 70, I’d likely try to import a GB 120V Precisio 50, or  transition to a Makita 7.5” cordless slider and one of the 8.5” table saws..... For Shop work, I have a KF700SP with a 3200mm slider arriving sometime in January, so that’s covered.....
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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: TKS 80 and Dado set
« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2020, 04:02 PM »

Completely reasonable.  I would be very curious to know how many folks are in the US with Erika's running them to job sites.   I suspect them not making the update in 120V may be an indicator of sales of that saw.  Clearly from a shear price stand point one doesn't gain much with the 70.

Of course I'd also like to know how many CS70/50's have been smuggled into the new world.   I think there is a reasonable case for owning both a CS70 and a TKS80 together.  One mainly for cross cuts where slide function is great, the other for ripping work where the saw stop function is "more needed" do the the odds of an accident with that type of cut.

There is a market for this style/type of Saw in N.A., it's just the issue that the only officially offered option is extremely expensive and offered via just 1 retailer.  I like many/most folks never heard of a push/pull saw without being on here and still took me a long time to understand "why" of them.   I'm pretty sure if a brand that sells at homedepot/lowes ever brought such a saw, they would sell great and everyone would act like it was a new thing.

Offline neilc

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Re: TKS 80 and Dado set
« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2020, 06:53 PM »
I debated an Erika 85 when I moved from Chicago.  They had none available due to their backlog of orders nor did they have a unit on their showroom.  So I went with a Sawstop Jobsite Pro and kept my Kapex.  I’ve been very happy with it.  That with an MW1000 gives me a portable saw and out feed table.  Less money and more flexibility than the Erika as much as it was tempting.

It looks like you either have to spend a lot of money for the 85 on accessories or face a lot of compromises with regard to wide panel ripping, dados, and other options we think of being easy on a table saw. 

Offline nero

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Re: TKS 80 and Dado set
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2021, 04:39 AM »

Has anyone had any success in using the TKS 80 in the US?

Offline mino

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Re: TKS 80 and Dado set
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2021, 06:44 AM »
Yes, US homes are supplied with 240v power, but it is not run throughout the house, it's used for high power equipment like water heaters, HVAC, large power tools, EV charging stations, etc.
This is actually very similar to Europe - here most houses (and most newer flats) get also 400V 3-phase as their connection. In flats one usually does not route 3-phase sockets from it, but there is nothing preventing such.

In shop use, 400V is actually very common, and was even more in the past.
You can make 3-phase motors which do not need any electronics nor brushes etc., so a couple decades ago it was way cheaper/simpler to get a 3-phase motor even for low power loads. It was the obvious choice for stationary and semi-stationary tools and still is where suitable as no/limited electronics and no brushes tends to mean lower running costs.

Onto the topic.
I do not see how the TKS80 can (safely) accept a dado set. The break module is different and is most likely not able to safely handle a heavy(ier) dado set.
« Last Edit: April 04, 2021, 06:47 AM by mino »
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