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Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2020, 08:35 PM »
For safety concerns, why not buy a SawStop?
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Offline Cheese

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2020, 08:39 PM »
Not a comment on their engineering, it's team effort but more about cost of living and therefore cost of manufacture.

Or in reality...Festool profitability.  [smile]

Offline urowho

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2020, 03:05 AM »
For safety concerns, why not buy a SawStop?
That's my question really. Anyone with experience of both got a view on which feels safer? I'm in the UK so I could only buy the new TKS80 and I prefer the ability to slide. Having said that if my number one priority is finger preservation.

On profits, I agree, the price doesn't seem to have reduced to match the eastern europe construction the beneficiary being the DoF. Having said that it's not going to sell many units so possibly the only way to make the R&D cost doable is by reducing manufacturing costs.

Cheers.

Offline Alex

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2020, 03:15 AM »
If safety is my number one priority are you suggesting that something like an erika 85 with a sliding table is safer?

I think SawStop rechnology is the safest, because it protects you from any mistake you make. From a safety standpoint there is nothing that can beat that.

A pull saw has a different way of operating, which prevents you from making a lot of mistakes in the first place, and is therefor safer than a standard table saw. With a normal saw you have to move the wood into the blade, which means your hands move to the blade, and you possibly have to change your stance to keep your balance while the wood moves. But with a pull saw, you move the blade into the wood, both your hands are far away from the blade, and your body stands still in perfect balance.

By the way, my number one priority is also safety and keeping my fingers. As a musician, I make a lot more money lately by playing the guitar than by chopping wood. My number 1 safety mechanism is my fear and my mind, by keeping my bloody concentration on what I'm doing when that blde is spinning.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2020, 03:21 AM by Alex »

Offline Birdhunter

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2020, 05:44 AM »
A radial arm saw operates with a pull stoke yet, I think, is a dangerous tool.
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Offline Jiggy Joiner

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2020, 06:04 AM »
A radial arm saw operates with a pull stoke yet, I think, is a dangerous tool.

Totally different design and operation though.
A radial has all the blade and motor above the table and workpiece, which give potential for a lot of accidents, I have witnessed two separate appalling accidents with radial arm saws.
They’re very useful but, as you say potentially dangerous too.
The pull push table saws are upside down compared to a radial, the blade is below the table and workpiece, set at a suitable height to cut the workpiece. One hand is pulling or pushing the blade, from a knob at the front of the saw, the other hand is holding the workpiece, well away form the spinning blade, or the workpiece may even be clamped etc.
This is a very safe and practical way of cutting, ass opposed to pushing the workpiece into a spinning blade.

Having said that, there’s potential danger with any power tool, some more than others though.

An ideal safety table saw, would be something like a pull push type, with the SawStop tech but, I’m pretty sure at least currently, the SawStop tech can’t be used with a pull push saw. Well at least in pull push mode anyway.




Offline threesixright

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2020, 09:27 AM »

The TKS80 also looks very expensive for something out of the Czech republic rather than Germany. Not a comment on their engineering, it's team effort but more about cost of living and therefore cost of manufacture.
Salaries are not what they used to be. The country is doing well, so increase of pay.

You can buy the set (pre order) under 3k (EUR). Not that bad i think (still a lot of money).




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Offline urowho

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2020, 01:05 PM »

The TKS80 also looks very expensive for something out of the Czech republic rather than Germany. Not a comment on their engineering, it's team effort but more about cost of living and therefore cost of manufacture.
Salaries are not what they used to be. The country is doing well, so increase of pay.

You can buy the set (pre order) under 3k (EUR). Not that bad i think (still a lot of money).




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It's quite funny as I'm a surgeon (hence the worry regarding fingers) and as a public sector worker in the UK my pay is down 1/3 since 2008! So I feel the prices all the more acutely!

Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2020, 02:27 AM »
Felder seems to have one up on Festool on the table safety now:

https://www.facebook.com/feldergroupusa/videos/857046994655619/



Felder PCS - no cartridge to exchange, no maintenance, no blade or machine damage and just a button to reset the machine and keep going. Also, they are testing with their own fingers!  [eek]
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Offline threesixright

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2020, 02:45 AM »
Felder PCS - no cartridge to exchange, no maintenance, no blade or machine damage and just a button to reset the machine and keep going. Also, they are testing with their own fingers!  [eek]
Awesome tech, yet I don't think this will be available under 3k. More likely 3x that ...

BTW PCS is already mentioned here on FOG.

Offline jimbo51

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2020, 07:20 AM »
I do not think the PCS system could be adapted to a portable saw. It looks like it needs a lot of room below the table to function.

The video did not mention the issue of wet wood. I assume a bypass switch would be involved.

Offline Bob D.

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2020, 07:32 AM »
Bosch figured out how to do it, and SS didn't like it so they sued to protect
their inability to develop something that does work on a portable table saw.
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It's a table saw, do you know where your fingers are?

Offline jimbo51

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2020, 08:19 AM »
SawStop has a portable saw.

Offline urowho

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2020, 08:51 AM »
The Felder one (and another I can't remember) is non destructive and works before contact. I wish I had £9k and a big enough garage!

Offline ChuckS

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2020, 10:32 AM »
Bosch figured out how to do it, and SS didn't like it so they sued to protect
their inability to develop something that does work on a portable table saw.

Define portable saw.

https://www.sawstop.ca/table-saws/by-model/jobsite-saw/ (with cart, 113 lbs). According to the online Build & Price basic option for the PRO, about $2000 Cdn.

Same kind as the Bosch Reaxx (133 lbs) which, by the way, is still available in the Canadian market (for about $2200 Cdn).

I've used the Jobsite (old version) a couple of times, the ICS since 2007, and owned the PCS since 2014. I would not spend money on a portable saw unless portability outweighs all other considerations.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2020, 10:54 AM by ChuckM »

Offline richey

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Re: Table saw w/ Saw Stop technology
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2020, 11:08 AM »
It's just another tool on the very long list of tools that Festool refuses to let us buy.