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Offline Greg Powers

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Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« on: April 15, 2010, 07:42 PM »
Would be very cool if there was a sand paper punch-plate that would cut the new Multi-Jetstream holes in to existing Jetstream sandpaper.

I have a whole systaner II full of the old style Jetstream150mm discs, several hundred. Most likely more then I will use in five years.

I can buy a new STICKFIX SANDING PAD with the new hole pattern, but I have $200 of old hole pattern jetstream 150mm discs. The punch-plate would allow me to punch the addition holes into the old paper disks.

 I have an old Bosh sander that came with a paper punch so you could use standard 1/4 sheet sand paper by using the paper punch as a size pattern and to cut the hole in the standard paper.

A paper punch for the Festool 150mm old style disk would only need to punch the additional holes.
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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2010, 07:45 PM »
Greg, since Jetstream and Multi-Stream are cross-compatible, there's no compelling reason to punch extra holes, at least in my opinion.  The major advantage of Multi-Jetstream is that it is more heat-resistant resulting in longer pad life.  You're going to get fairly equal dust extraction with either.

To make sure I addressed your concern, the old pad works with the new abrasives, the new pad works with the old abrasives.

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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2010, 07:51 PM »
I understand the cross comparability, which is great. I was just sad that I just bought the ETS 150/5 EQ and the systainer II of sanding discs last month (March 2010). and Boom this month I find out about Multi-Jetstream. I just felt a little left behind.

I come from the tech world where we always want the latest and greatest.
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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2010, 09:24 PM »
You're going to get fairly equal dust extraction with either.


With all respect due, I do not think that is the implication of this:



I have a ton of old style discs and was thinking that I could just use a sharp punch to make holes so that the discs have the new system of holes.  Has anyone done this?

Mike

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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2010, 10:22 PM »
I have the 150/5 with the new multi-stream pad and I have used both styles of paper.  I cannot tell the difference between the two types.  I would not worry about it and not even think of going to the troubleof punching out holes.  In fact, I might buy more of the old style of sandpaper since it's on sale.
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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2010, 03:56 PM »
You're going to get fairly equal dust extraction with either.

With all respect due, I do not think that is the implication of this:



I have a ton of old style discs and was thinking that I could just use a sharp punch to make holes so that the discs have the new system of holes.  Has anyone done this?

Mike

I have stacked a bunch clamped down and drilled on the drill press, worked ok.

Bill


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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2010, 06:00 PM »
I have the 150/5 with the new multi-stream pad and I have used both styles of paper.  I cannot tell the difference between the two types.  I would not worry about it and not even think of going to the troubleof punching out holes.  In fact, I might buy more of the old style of sandpaper since it's on sale.

Same here. I have been using the new multi-jetstream pad now for over half a year and I see zero difference with the older pad and paper. The older paper is not on sale here but I don't care one iota which one of the two I buy. Most dealers here still have their stock of old paper and if that's what lies on the shelves when I get there, that's what I take home. There is no noticeable difference despite what Festool's marketing department says. So don't worry about it.

I also did what Bill Barker said above, some time ago, I stacked 10 pieces of paper on top of each other, put one multi-jet paper on top and drilled through the stack to make the extra holes. It works fine, in fact, in my opinion, better than a hole puncher. The hole puncher doesn't cut material away, it just pushes it aside. With a good drill bit, you get clean holes. But there's just no point to it. I understand that if you have no experience with the new paper that you think (as I did, it is only logical after hearing the sales pitch) there might be a noticeable improvement, but there really isn't.

 

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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2010, 07:04 PM »
I MIGHT disagree.

I have a Rotex and bought almost 400 dollars (US) of paper when I got it.  I love the Rotex and the dust collection.  I have a project going that I was going to use the Rotex on.  I used the Rotex for a portion of it and then - because a huge portion was overhead - I recently purchased an ETS 150/3 with the new pad and disks.

The dust collection percentage is different.  Could it be the difference from the Rotex to the ETS or could it be the difference of the two pads with the different technology?  I don't know - but I am happy with the new pad.  I see dust that is trying to escape and then gets sucked in.

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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2010, 08:38 PM »
The dust collection percentage is different.  Could it be the difference from the Rotex to the ETS or could it be the difference of the two pads with the different technology? 

Any difference you notice is most probably due to the two machines being different. They have very different characteristics. You can only make a valid conclusion after you use the two different pads on one and the same machine. I have the old standard soft pad and the new MJ hard pad for my Rotex, and I switch them out constantly depending on the application. If there is a difference between the two, it must be such a small difference that it probably only can be measured under laboratory circumstances and is not noticeable to the average user. 

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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2010, 08:51 PM »
Alex,

That is why said I might disagree.

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Re: Sand Paper Punch-Plate for Jetstream to Multi-Jetstream
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2010, 09:35 AM »
Also, the new jetstream paper has a smaller center hole.  So drilling out the outside holes won't make them same.  Airflow might not be the same.  Maybe not a big difference but they made the center hole on the jetstream discs smaller for a reason.  I have a ton of the old discs and multiple pads for my sanders.

I'll just use them and replace them with the new style as I replenish.

I think the video is more of a comparison of the jetstream vs other conventional brands more then comparing festools new vs old. 
Wayne

 

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