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Offline Bugsysiegals

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #450 on: June 03, 2021, 09:22 PM »
I’ve not done the math here but there has been a substantial amount of items which have sold through the Recon site since late last year.  Am I the only one who wonders why there’s such an abundance of reconditioned tools?  For me, it seems people either tried them out and were displeased and returned them or there’s a whole lot of quality returns, both of which set off warning bells in my mind, at least for the specific tools which have sold in abundance.  I like a sale like the next person but I’d almost want to chart the quantities of each tool and stay away from those which had high volume of Recon ...

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Offline Cypren

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #451 on: June 03, 2021, 09:37 PM »
I'm not sure there's as much to worry about here as you might think. For one thing, Festool keeps its tool designs for a long time. Many of the tools you can buy today have been available in the same basic form for a decade or more, with only minor tweaks for usability improvements every few years. Given that Festool's warranty is so broad, this suggests that they're overall fairly confident about the durability of what they're selling: if things were falling apart, it would be a much bigger problem for them than the customers and would likely prompt design changes. (And despite what a lot of people seem to think, it's actually pretty hard to plan obsolescence into devices with widely-varying usage patterns such that they will predictably fail after their warranty expires but not before.)

The other big factors are that because that warranty is so broad, and covers wear-and-tear during the first three years of ownership, people will be more inclined to send tools in for service or replacement for relatively trivial issues resulting from hard usage that they likely wouldn't have bothered with if they had to pay for it themselves. Combined with their turnaround time guarantees, this is going to result in some number of tools that will be replaced rather than repaired, leaving the old tool to be reconditioned and resold. The no-questions-asked 30 day return policy also likely contributes to a number of tools being "borrowed" from dealers and then returned with light usage for a full refund. (I would especially expect this with more specialized tools that people need infrequently.)

The last thing I would note is that the Recon site doesn't seem to go through all that many units in the average day. We're talking dozens at most in a highly active day, likely, based on how long they last and how many people we know are buying them just from posts here on the FOG. We notice them all because we're a bunch of crazy fanboys paying close attention, but in the grand scheme of things, for a company that does north of $400m USD in sales every year, this is barely a rounding error.

My gut guess would be that the higher volume of Recon tools relative to the past is largely an artifact of the brand being much better-known than it used to be, and the number of people picking up hobby woodworking having spiked due to the pandemic.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2021, 09:40 PM by Cypren »

Offline squall_line

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« Reply #452 on: June 03, 2021, 10:45 PM »
I agree with @Cypren .  The other thing that I keep in the back of my mind is that some of the older tools that come into people's hands may also be NOS (New, Old Stock) from retailers that closed their doors.  I don't know what Festool's sell-through policy is with their dealers as far as obsolete/discontinued tools and stock returns vs. discounts, but we all know that discounts at dealers are almost impossible to come by unless a tool has been discontinued or sitting on a shelf for a long number of years.

I think some people have gotten tools with > 3 year old production dates through Recon.  Those sometimes appear to be in better shape than some of the tools that were produced within the last 3-4 months which often looks used and appear to be from the 30-day guarantee.

As far as the specialty "use it for a project and return it" tools, that's the going theory on the Planexes (Planixes?) when they show up on Recon.  I can't see someone buying a CXS for a single project just to return it when they're done, but I can definitely see that with a Planex.  The CXS is likely more of a "just didn't fit my needs" sort of a return, or a warranty return that didn't get turned around in time.

Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #453 on: June 03, 2021, 11:01 PM »
I was waiting for it to post up, expecting to pull the trigger.  Then I did like I always do and waited until it was available to start researching it.  Doesn't appear to include anything that I don't already have other than PZ drivers.

I've kind of wanted one of these since they were released - for whatever reason, I just find this set appealing.  But I've never been able to go through with it for exactly the same reason (down the the PZ driver being the only thing I don't have). I still think it's a pretty set, though.

When they announced them, the set sounded nice. But like both of you mentioned, it came down to the only real thing was the Pozi screw drivers.  No one needs another random crescent wrench.  The wrenches are sized for DIN metric bolts, not ISO/SAE metric bolts, (wrong head size on some of them). So that is of limited use.

I just really doesn't offer much. Make it for stuff we will have (correct metric sizes, or add the 2 or so size wrenches to cover all), give it the more random drivers we don't see much of here.

Make the set be something like all the tools/sizes you need to tear down and put together Festool tools.

Offline Cypren

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #454 on: June 03, 2021, 11:57 PM »
I was actually rather happy that the set had DIN wrenches, personally, since I already have a very nice set of ANSI/ISO metric wrenches and they're much easier to procure in the US in general.

I'll admit I mostly bought the set to add to the systainer shrine, but as it turns out I've found myself using it quite a lot, especially the ball-end hex key set, which has much longer shafts than any hex keys I already owned. I just keep it permanently locked on top of my CT cyclone so I have quick access to a nicely-organized set of hand tools as I roll the dust extractor around the shop.

When I first saw the set, I remember thinking, "what a ripoff! They're charging so much for the brand logo!" But then I did the math and figured out what it would actually cost to buy all of the included tools (at a comparable quality level, not cheap Chinese imports) and realized that the $225 retail price basically comes down to them charging you about $20 for the Systainer and the matching colors. That's a surprisingly good deal.

Offline squall_line

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #455 on: June 04, 2021, 07:39 AM »
And still to come this morning, in this order:

ACG 18 Angle Grinder
TS 75 Plus Track Saw
DTS 400 Plus Delta Sander
HL 850 EF Plus Planer
TSC 55 REB Plus Cordless track saw with batteries and charger
DWC 18 Drywall Gun
HKC 55 Plus Track Saw with batteries and charger

And, of course:

Trion PSB 300 D-Handle jigsaw
T-18 Easy Basic (no batteries or charger)

Offline squall_line

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #456 on: June 07, 2021, 07:50 AM »
Still to come this morning:

TSC-55 Plus XL (2 batteries, 2 chargers)

CT 36 AutoClean Dust extractor

ACG-18 Basic Cordless Angle Grinder

BHC-18 Basic Cordless Rotary Hammer

And waiting in the wings (bonus drawing at the end of the day?) there's a Planex with a Installer Systainer set (the 2019 Limited Edition version), for 50% off list prices combined.

I find it odd that they're starting to put hand tools and systainer sets into the Recon.  I wonder if this set is incomplete as well?

Offline Yardbird

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #457 on: June 08, 2021, 01:35 PM »
I noticed Recon did not mention that the three nut drivers are missing.  When you buy something from Recon, it is a tool that you do not have and are not familiar with.  The assumption is that it is all there as in the picture.  On hotter items, like a Domino, you do not have time to check to see if everything is included. Lack of time is not a problem on this one, though. 

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #458 on: June 08, 2021, 01:59 PM »
This is weird, the last set they offered 5 days ago was also missing the nut drivers.  [huh]

Offline cpw

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #459 on: June 08, 2021, 02:13 PM »
The way that they say it is also very confusing "Note: This is an open box item and minor cosmetic/surface scratches should be expected.  Item has complete scope of delivery.  Non-returnable, all sales are final."

"Item has complete scope of delivery." to me would indicate that everything is included, when after reading your posts it seems to indicate the exact opposite; that they are only including the 8 screw drivers listed below, not the 11 in the picture. 

Offline squall_line

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #460 on: June 08, 2021, 03:05 PM »
I e-mailed them to ask, but haven't heard back.

I typed their 888 number into my phone to call them and ask, but got distracted by too many other things.

If I was serious about wanting to buy it myself, I would probably have called by now.

Offline squall_line

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #461 on: June 09, 2021, 08:20 AM »
I e-mailed them to ask, but haven't heard back.

FWIW, even though it's no longer listed, I received an e-mail back from Festool stating that the Installer's kit did, in fact, come with the nut drivers.

That Planex/Sys-installer combo is wicked odd, but the installer set has some nice inclusions such as the blue Systainer, ratcheting clamps, and Sys-MFT.  I use the blue Systainer for my electrical cords on work road trips, since my day job's company colors are chartreuse and navy.

Offline rubber_ducky

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #462 on: June 09, 2021, 08:21 AM »
The Drywall Sander LHS 225 (575219) & Systainer Installers Set (576913) is up.
Bummer… I have no need for the drywall sander but would have happily picked up the installers set on its own.


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Offline Dr. P. Venkman

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #463 on: June 09, 2021, 12:21 PM »
FWIW, even though it's no longer listed, I received an e-mail back from Festool stating that the Installer's kit did, in fact, come with the nut drivers.

Weird.  The nut drivers in the metric set aren't metric (1/4, 5/16, and 3/8) - I wonder if that caused some confusion in the writing of the description.

Offline squall_line

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #464 on: June 14, 2021, 07:38 AM »
Dust Extractor CT MIDI I HEPA is up.

After that:

TSC 55 Set with batteries and charger ('old' model)
RTSC-400 Basic
Kapex KS 120
Conturo KA 65

Not sure if anything was up before the CT MIDI; I certainly wasn't.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #465 on: June 14, 2021, 08:50 AM »
Cordless Orbital Sander RTSC 400 Li-Basic is up.
Inquiring Minds Want to Know

TS55, CT26, RO150, CXS, ETS 150/3, ETS EC 150/5, MFT/3, TS75, DF500, DTS400, OF1400, CT SYS

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #466 on: June 14, 2021, 08:52 AM »
Sliding Compound Miter Saw KAPEX KS 120 REB just posted.
Inquiring Minds Want to Know

TS55, CT26, RO150, CXS, ETS 150/3, ETS EC 150/5, MFT/3, TS75, DF500, DTS400, OF1400, CT SYS

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #467 on: June 14, 2021, 09:02 AM »
Conturo KA 65 Portable Edge Bander is up.
Inquiring Minds Want to Know

TS55, CT26, RO150, CXS, ETS 150/3, ETS EC 150/5, MFT/3, TS75, DF500, DTS400, OF1400, CT SYS

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #468 on: June 14, 2021, 09:28 AM »
TID C/PSC B Impact Driver & Jigsaw Combo Kit (205603) just posted.
Inquiring Minds Want to Know

TS55, CT26, RO150, CXS, ETS 150/3, ETS EC 150/5, MFT/3, TS75, DF500, DTS400, OF1400, CT SYS

Offline live4ever

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #469 on: June 14, 2021, 09:56 AM »
Conturo KA 65 Portable Edge Bander is up.

Darn, missed it.  Do you remember how much it was?
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #470 on: June 14, 2021, 09:59 AM »
Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to the Conturo price.

I only noticed that the Kapex was $1,125, but it didn't specify whether or not it was the new 2019 model.
Inquiring Minds Want to Know

TS55, CT26, RO150, CXS, ETS 150/3, ETS EC 150/5, MFT/3, TS75, DF500, DTS400, OF1400, CT SYS

Offline squall_line

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« Reply #471 on: June 14, 2021, 10:00 AM »
Conturo KA 65 Portable Edge Bander is up.

Darn, missed it.  Do you remember how much it was?

It's still there; it'll be back up later today.  25% off list, I think the price is around $2300-ish.  I wish I could justify it, but I haven't built A cabinet yet, let alone many that would require something that specialized.

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #472 on: June 14, 2021, 10:24 AM »
The Conturo is back up.
Inquiring Minds Want to Know

TS55, CT26, RO150, CXS, ETS 150/3, ETS EC 150/5, MFT/3, TS75, DF500, DTS400, OF1400, CT SYS

Offline Cheese

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #473 on: June 14, 2021, 10:52 AM »
Cordless Orbital Sander RTSC 400 Li-Basic is up.

Darn...I would have pulled the pin on that item. [big grin]

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #474 on: June 14, 2021, 10:55 AM »
The RTSC 400 went pretty quickly so it must be a popular item.
Inquiring Minds Want to Know

TS55, CT26, RO150, CXS, ETS 150/3, ETS EC 150/5, MFT/3, TS75, DF500, DTS400, OF1400, CT SYS

Offline live4ever

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« Reply #475 on: June 14, 2021, 12:13 PM »
Oof, talk about analysis paralysis on that Conturo - thought I would pull the trigger but now I'm second-guessing it.  I have several closet built-ins coming up that could make good use of it, but I haven't yet spec'd out the materials/edgebanding.
Current systainer to productivity ratio:  very high

Offline squall_line

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #476 on: June 15, 2021, 07:25 AM »
Pro Finish Pack TID B/T18/TSC S/PSC B has been posted.

This includes: TID 18, T18+3, TSC 55, PSC 420, 2x 5.2 Ah batteries, 2x 4.0ah batteries, 2 TCL6 chargers, Right Angle chuck, extra 28T blade for TSC, 25-pack blade assortment for PSC, dust bag for TSC, plus a spare Sys1 and Sys-Toolbox.

"Only" 15% off of retail, but retail is already a pretty decent discount compared to buying all of these tools and accessories separately.

Had this come up back in January when I was starting to fill out my kit, I may have pulled the trigger, but I already have everything other than the cordless versions of the TS and PS (also, back then I was looking at the Remodeler pack, which has the HKC and OSC instead of the TSC and PSC).

Enjoy!

Offline GoingMyWay

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #477 on: June 15, 2021, 03:54 PM »
Oscillator OS 400 Vecturo EQ-Plus just posted.
Inquiring Minds Want to Know

TS55, CT26, RO150, CXS, ETS 150/3, ETS EC 150/5, MFT/3, TS75, DF500, DTS400, OF1400, CT SYS

Offline squall_line

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #478 on: June 15, 2021, 04:40 PM »
I'm honestly surprised that the Vecturo sold.  Finally an empty slate!

Offline Cypren

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Re: Festool Recon Topic (compiled)
« Reply #479 on: June 15, 2021, 04:54 PM »
Same. Seems difficult to imagine anyone buying it unless it’s a replacement for an existing Vecturo or Fein that gave up the ghost. That proprietary blade format is just such a downside.