Author Topic: ETS EC 125/150? (Read 62826 times)

bobfog · « **on:** May 30, 2016, 04:41 PM »

Does the ETS EC 150 take the 125mm pads as well?

Phil Beckley · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2016, 04:42 PM »

Quote from: bobfog on May 30, 2016, 04:41 PM

Does the ETS EC 150 take the 125mm pads as well?

.....nope.
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Phil

ear3 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2016, 04:48 PM »

That would be the Mirka!

bobfog · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2016, 05:20 PM »

Quote from: Edward A Reno III on May 30, 2016, 04:48 PM

That would be the Mirka!

Yup! Guess that's where my money will go.

Shame really, things like this make it difficult not to feel disgruntled at Festool. It's a blatant case of daylight robbery, as if spending nearly £400 on a sander isn't enough, you can't even put a smaller pad on it. Instead Festool think it's reasonable to make you spend ~£750+ on two sanders instead of making a universal pad fitting. I mean why make your customers able to put a£20 pad on the sander when they can instead make them but another sander.

Holmz · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2016, 05:59 PM »

@bobfog I think it is only the 230v model. I think it is the 5650.(the one I got)

leakyroof · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2016, 07:32 PM »

The pad brake does not line up between the two different sized sanders, in case you're wondering.

AndyUK · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2016, 02:31 AM »

It is a shame that Festool haven't included the ability to change from 125 to 150 on their sanders as other manufacturers have done.
Would also like to see the ability to change from 3mm to 5mm orbit also on the ETS EC.
Others can do this and I can't see why it's not offered by Festool?

bobfog · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2016, 02:35 AM »

Quote from: Holmz on May 30, 2016, 05:59 PM

@bobfog I think it is only the 230v model. I think it is the 5650.(the one I got)

Thanks @Holmz

I assume you're happy with yours and would recommend it?

Holmz · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2016, 02:37 AM »

Quote from: Holmz on May 31, 2016, 02:37 AM

Quote from: AndyUK on May 31, 2016, 02:31 AM
It is a shame that Festool haven't included the ability to change from 125 to 150 on their sanders as other manufacturers have done.
Would also like to see the ability to change from 3mm to 5mm orbit also on the ETS.
Others can do this and I can't see why it's not offered by Festool?

The Mirka is braked by the motor, so pad changes may be easier if the issue preventing it is the braking.

Unless one has stacks of 125-mm papers, or has a compelling need to change sizes, I am not sure it is all that important to change pads?

Then if the different orbit sizes cause a huge jump in cost, it might make more sense to have separate /3 and a /5 sanders ?
(They already cost a fair bit of coin)

Quote from: bobfog on May 31, 2016, 02:35 AM

Quote from: Holmz on May 30, 2016, 05:59 PM
@bobfog I think it is only the 230v model. I think it is the 5650.(the one I got)

Thanks @Holmz

I assume you're happy with yours and would recommend it?

Yes I like it. It is faster than the 1/2 sheet, but I like the 1/2 sheet (uva115e). I think the 1/2 sheet is better all around, unless one is dead set on a round RO sander. You at least find the pieces flat with a 1/2 sheet, so I often use that first to get it level.

I personally like the Mirka paddle, but some do not.
The Mirka screens are good, but those fit on a FT, Bosch, or B&D...
The 5650 is a 5-mm, which pairs well with the 1/2 sheet's 2.2-mm stroke.
If I was using it in 110v I am not sure, but the 5650 is 230v only.

But yeah I like it, and I only use it for 1/2 hour at the most, so a switch is not important, and the paddle works.
And the handling and weight are a thing of joy.

AndyUK · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2016, 02:41 AM »

Quote from: Holmz on May 31, 2016, 02:37 AM

Quote from: AndyUK on May 31, 2016, 02:31 AM
It is a shame that Festool haven't included the ability to change from 125 to 150 on their sanders as other manufacturers have done.
Would also like to see the ability to change from 3mm to 5mm orbit also on the ETS.
Others can do this and I can't see why it's not offered by Festool?

The Mirka is braked by the motor, so pad changes may be easier if the issue preventing it is the braking.

Unless one has stacks of 125-mm papers, or has a compelling need to change sizes, I am not sure it is all that important to change pads?

Then if the different orbit sizes cause a huge jump in cost, it might make more sense to have separate /3 and a /5 sanders ?
(They already cost a fair bit of coin)

I'm not sure if the cost would increase greatly as Metabo 450 sx has this facility (variable orbit) and I believe there's a Bosch sander also.
Both of those sanders are well south of the Festool price.

Holmz · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2016, 02:51 AM »

Quote from: AndyUK on May 31, 2016, 02:41 AM

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I'm not sure if the cost would increase greatly as Metabo 450 sx has this facility (variable orbit) and I believe there's a Bosch sander also.
Both of those sanders are well south of the Festool price.

The FT would not go down in price...

There are a lot of good sanders these days. I have not looked at those two, but it seems worth consideration, and I assume that they also fit on any vacuum...

Alex · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2016, 11:10 AM »

I wouldn't mind if a sander could change between a 3 and 5 mm orbit, but the added mechanism would make the sander heavier, noisier and more costly. I think I could do without that.

But there is really no logical excuse to not offer switchable pads. I want 125 & 150 mm pads on a single eccentric sander, and DTS and RTS pads on one sander as well.

JD2720 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2016, 03:23 PM »

Joint recall with Health Canada, the United States Consumer Product Safety Commission (US CPSC) and Mirka USA Inc.

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Mirka Recall

ear3 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2016, 03:26 PM »

Quote from: Alex on May 31, 2016, 11:10 AM

and DTS and RTS pads on one sander as well.

This would be particularly welcome, and I imagine would be a relatively trivial engineering feat to accomplish.

bobfog · « **Reply #14 on:** June 02, 2016, 03:27 AM »

Spoke with someone regarding the pad issue and they said that they own an ETS EC 125mm and this accepts the 150mm pads with no issues. Anyone able to comment on this?

bobfog · « **Reply #15 on:** June 02, 2016, 10:36 AM »

Little bump, now the forum is back in full swing after its outage.

Cheese · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2016, 12:52 PM »

Quote from: bobfog on June 02, 2016, 03:27 AM

Spoke with someone regarding the pad issue and they said that they own an ETS EC 125mm and this accepts the 150mm pads with no issues. Anyone able to comment on this?

I think I remember reading that a 150 pad would fit but that the pad brake would not operate.

jwaite550 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2016, 04:35 PM »

Quote from: bobfog on June 02, 2016, 03:27 AM

Spoke with someone regarding the pad issue and they said that they own an ETS EC 125mm and this accepts the 150mm pads with no issues. Anyone able to comment on this?

I was at a dealer and he put a 6" pad on the ETS EC 3. He took the pad off and it was stamped ETS EC 150 on the part the pad goes on. Oddly the ETS EC 125 5 will not accept the 6" pad.

bobfog · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2016, 05:06 PM »

So the 3mm stroke version will accept the 150mm pad but not the 5mm? This is interesting!

JD2720 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2016, 06:25 PM »

Quote from: bobfog on June 02, 2016, 05:06 PM

So the 3mm stroke version will accept the 150mm pad but not the 5mm? This is interesting!

There isn't a 5mm version of the ETS EC 125 sander. The 125 only comes in 3mm.

Cheese · « **Reply #20 on:** June 02, 2016, 10:27 PM »

So...the confusion continues. Where's @TylerC ?

TylerC · « **Reply #21 on:** June 03, 2016, 03:08 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on June 02, 2016, 10:27 PM

So...the confusion continues. Where's @TylerC ?

The ETS EC 150 will not accept the 125 mm pad. The sanders have different shafts. The 150 sanders have a keyed shaft with wings, whereas the 125 has flats but not wings. I can send pics if needed. The soft pad for the 150 sanders is thinner than the 125 mm pad and therefore does not engage the pad brake. Also, the balance between the 5 mm stroke 150 and the 3 mm stroke 150 are not the same.

bobfog · « **Reply #22 on:** June 03, 2016, 03:22 PM »

Quote from: TylerC on June 03, 2016, 03:08 PM

Quote from: Cheese on June 02, 2016, 10:27 PM
So...the confusion continues. Where's @TylerC ?

The ETS EC 150 will not accept the 125 mm pad. The sanders have different shafts. The 150 sanders have a keyed shaft with wings, whereas the 125 has flats but not wings. I can send pics if needed. The soft pad for the 150 sanders is thinner than the 125 mm pad and therefore does not engage the pad brake. Also, the balance between the 5 mm stroke 150 and the 3 mm stroke 150 are not the same.

So is what you're effectively saying, that the 125mm pads absolutely won't fit the 150mm ETS EC? However, the 150mm pad will physically fit the 125mm machine and spin, but the pad brake won't engage and the performance will be sub-optimal due to balance issues?

TylerC · « **Reply #23 on:** June 03, 2016, 03:34 PM »

Quote from: bobfog on June 03, 2016, 03:22 PM

So is what you're effectively saying, that the 125mm pads absolutely won't fit the 150mm ETS EC? However, the 150mm pad will physically fit the 125mm machine and spin, but the pad brake won't engage and the performance will be sub-optimal due to balance issues?

Yes, that's the case. Obviously, we can't guarantee the performance if you do that.

Holmz · « **Reply #24 on:** June 03, 2016, 06:45 PM »

By the time you get the second pad, the cost may be the same as the Mirka which comes with 2 pads.

bobfog · « **Reply #25 on:** June 05, 2016, 03:49 PM »

Ok, so I went to my local Festool dealer today and looked at the situation for myself.

Observations:

1) The pad for the 150 does indeed fit the 125.

2) The pad brake works perfectly, whilst the pads are "keyed differently" (looks like a purposely engineered flaw/point of difference IMO to stop people putting the 125 pad on the 150) the 150 pad sits on the 125 just fine. Though as previously stated the addition keying prevents it working the other way (125>150)

3) The pad felt absolutely perfectly balanced both when spinning freely in the air and when on the work doing its thing.

McNally Family · « **Reply #26 on:** June 05, 2016, 04:07 PM »

Quote from: bobfog on June 05, 2016, 03:49 PM

Ok, so I went to my local Festool dealer today and looked at the situation for myself.

Observations:

1) The pad for the 150 does indeed fit the 125.

2) The pad brake works perfectly, whilst the pads are "keyed differently" (looks like a purposely engineered flaw/point of difference IMO to stop people putting the 125 pad on the 150) the 150 pad sits on the 125 just fine. Though as previously stated the addition keying prevents it working the other way (125>150)

3) The pad felt absolutely perfectly balanced both when spinning freely in the air and when on the work doing its thing.

When I was considering the ETS EC 150/3, this concept might have tempted me. However I have since decided for my second Festool sander, I will go with the ETS EC 150/5, as a better compliment to my RS 2 E.

Since it appears to work for you, you should pull the trigger, use it for a few months, and then post a review. If, after a period of time I decide I don't like the 150/5, or want to expand to the 125/3, I might consider it myself, if for no other reason so I can use the same 150 consumables on both sanders.

Cheese · « **Reply #27 on:** June 14, 2016, 12:45 PM »

After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125. Sure enough, as @bobfog stated, the pad does fit and performs the very same as the stock 125 pad.

Balance with the 150 pad is not an issue and that makes sense because the pad is injection molded, which means it was designed for symmetry from the get go.

The pad brake works fine and has nothing to do with the pad itself. In the photo below, the brake assembly is behind the magnesium housing and does not interact with the pad at any time.

The pad brake stops both of the pads in the same amount of time, switching back & forth between pads, I was unable to tell any difference.

bobfog · « **Reply #28 on:** June 14, 2016, 02:39 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on June 14, 2016, 12:45 PM

After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125. Sure enough, as @bobfog stated, the pad does fit and performs the very same as the stock 125 pad.

Balance with the 150 pad is not an issue and that makes sense because the pad is injection molded, which means it was designed for symmetry from the get go.

The pad brake works fine and has nothing to do with the pad itself. In the photo below, the brake assembly is behind the magnesium housing and does not interact with the pad at any time.

The pad brake stops both of the pads in the same amount of time, switching back & forth between pads, I was unable to tell any difference.

Good to see we got to the bottom of this!

The project I was buying this for (lots of vertical sanding) has been put back a few months, so I'm yet to pull the trigger myself and put the money into a new router table for a more pressing project. I'll have to remember to PM you later in the summer to ask your long term opinion.

bobfog · « **Reply #29 on:** June 21, 2016, 04:24 PM »

@Cheese

Looks like I might need the sander sooner than I expected, have you done much with the 150mm pad in the last week and if so any issues?

Cheers

Bob

Cheese · « **Reply #30 on:** June 21, 2016, 05:22 PM »

@bobfog
Funny that you asked, I'm gutting this bathroom and today it was all about ripping out the old ply underlayment. I was going to sand down the subfloor with the Rotex 125 but then my eye caught the ES 125 with the 150 pad on it. So I slapped some 80 grit on it and I was amazed how fast the job went. That larger surface makes such a big difference as far as time spent. This sander is brilliant, it almost makes me want to try a ES 150/5. No problems...no issues, it works great.

I just wish this interchange thing would work on the 150 sanders, instead of just the 125. It'd be so slick to purchase a 150/3 & a 150/5 and then a couple of 125 pads.

bobfog · « **Reply #31 on:** June 21, 2016, 06:01 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on June 21, 2016, 05:22 PM

@bobfog
Funny that you asked, I'm gutting this bathroom and today it was all about ripping out the old ply underlayment. I was going to sand down the subfloor with the Rotex 125 but then my eye caught the ES 125 with the 150 pad on it. So I slapped some 80 grit on it and I was amazed how fast the job went. That larger surface makes such a big difference as far as time spent. This sander is brilliant, it almost makes me want to try a ES 150/5. No problems...no issues, it works great.

I just wish this interchange thing would work on the 150 sanders, instead of just the 125. It'd be so slick to purchase a 150/3 & a 150/5 and then a couple of 125 pads.

Great stuff!

When I was in my local Axminster I was looking at the Ekat with the knowledgable on Festool staff member, and came to the conclusion that technically it should be possible to change the part that has the spindle from the 125 on to the 150's to achieve what you want, but will obviously void the warranty.

Cheese · « **Reply #32 on:** June 21, 2016, 07:31 PM »

You're right, there are only 2 sub-assemblies that are different between the two. The "3" button is a different color

and the bearing assembly which uses a different shaft. That's it, I'm just really impressed with how well that mod works.

plgard · « **Reply #33 on:** July 04, 2016, 02:00 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on June 14, 2016, 12:45 PM

After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125…

Sorry if this has been asked and answered,

Can anyone tell me why the sander in Cheese's third image has a metal plate stamped "150/3" and a product sticker under the handle assembly that says "125/3"?

Peter Halle · « **Reply #34 on:** July 04, 2016, 02:09 PM »

Quote from: plgard on July 04, 2016, 02:00 PM

Quote from: Cheese on June 14, 2016, 12:45 PM
After reading all the reply's and conjecture, I just decided to purchase an ETS EC 150 pad and fit it to my ETS EC 125…

Sorry if this has been asked and answered,

Can anyone tell me why the sander in Cheese's third image has a metal plate stamped "150/3" and a product sticker under the handle assembly that says "125/3"?

In case some are scrolling back to those images here are the areas mentioned:

My guess is that many manufacturers Festool is designing around already produced parts where applicable?

Peter

Cheese · « **Reply #35 on:** July 04, 2016, 02:09 PM »

@plgard ,
I just thought it was interesting that when I pulled the pad off of my ETS EC 125, that some parts on the inside were stamped 150/3.

So, the ETS EC 125 is really an ETS EC 150/3 with a different style pad mount and a different color on/off button...those are the only differences.

There had been some discussion on differences in the pad brakes, but that is not the case.

plgard · « **Reply #36 on:** July 04, 2016, 03:38 PM »

@Peter Halle,

Yeah, one part, many applications -I get it! ; )

@Cheese,

One assembly, more than one application!

I'm just echoing what's already been said here…

SEEMS like Festool could have offered a line of sanders with some inherent interchangeability- you know, like a "SYSTEM"

plgard · « **Reply #37 on:** July 04, 2016, 05:42 PM »

anyone have any hands-on experience changing between the 125 & 150 pad on the North American version of the Deros?

Like others here, I'm on the fence between the ETS EC and the Deros. I didn't even realize the Ceros had been recalled and perhaps superseded by the Deros.

When I decided a current project had enough sanding to warrant replacing my (old) top-heavy ETS 150, I thought I'd consider the Ceros because aside from being more like the old pneumatic DA's, I had remembered reading or seeing a video (YouTube) where the 5" & 6" pads were interchangeable.

When I went looking for the Ceros at (the usual) online retailers and found only the Deros I assumed it too would accommodate either size pad.

I guess the whole pad swap thing isn't THAT important, but it doesn't seem like it should be that difficult either...

Holmz · « **Reply #38 on:** July 05, 2016, 01:16 AM »

Quote from: plgard on July 04, 2016, 05:42 PM

anyone have any hands-on experience changing between the 125 & 150 pad on the North American version of the Deros?

Like others here, I'm on the fence between the ETS EC and the Deros. I didn't even realize the Ceros had been recalled and perhaps superseded by the Deros.

When I decided a current project had enough sanding to warrant replacing my (old) top-heavy ETS 150, I thought I'd consider the Ceros because aside from being more like the old pneumatic DA's, I had remembered reading or seeing a video (YouTube) where the 5" & 6" pads were interchangeable.

When I went looking for the Ceros at (the usual) online retailers and found only the Deros I assumed it too would accommodate either size pad.

I guess the whole pad swap thing isn't THAT important, but it doesn't seem like it should be that difficult either...

I think it is only the 5650 model which has both and that is a 230v unit... You either need the transformer or a 220-US to 230v •-Eu plug.
It was easy for me as Au has 230v and the Mirka was cheaper imported than the other option.
In the US it makes sense to consider the ETS EC dies to pricing and voltage... Or of you really like 'the paddle'.

bobfog · « **Reply #39 on:** July 05, 2016, 12:17 PM »

I too was considering the Mirka Deros, the 125mm and 150mm pads are compatible and interchangable with any Deros sander according to the UK technical support team, no underhand trying con your customers into buying two sanders malarkey, saying the sander will be out of balance, etc. The Deros 5650 comes bundled with both pads in a Systainer at a reasonable price of about £370.

But as I wanted the 2.5 not 5mm orbit version, there was no bundled set so I would have had to buy the sander itself in cardboard box,the Systainer and the 125mm pad and it worked out at about £480 all in. So I went for the ETS EC 125 and a 150mm pad for £410.

cpap · « **Reply #40 on:** July 29, 2016, 10:20 PM »

Thanks for all the info. I based my purchase on this and picked up the ecs ec 125/3 and a 150 pad ....and saved $50! Works perfectly!

OrangeCrush · « **Reply #41 on:** August 18, 2016, 07:59 PM »

I am new to festool and replacing my old Dewalt 5" so I am already more comfortable with the 125. I am very interested in the fact I can get the 125 and upgrade to a 6" pad if I desire to do so later. After reading this post many times my question is related to reply #36 from Cheese that states one of the differences between the 125 and 150 is bearing assembly. It seams to me that that would be an important difference???

OrangeCrush · « **Reply #42 on:** August 18, 2016, 08:01 PM »

oops - I meant reply #33

Cheese · « **Reply #43 on:** August 19, 2016, 11:54 AM »

Quote from: OrangeCrush on August 18, 2016, 07:59 PM

After reading this post many times my question is related to reply #36 from Cheese that states one of the differences between the 125 and 150 is bearing assembly. It seams to me that that would be an important difference???

First off...

to the FOG.

Now to your question, the ETS EC 125 & 150 use different pad mounting geometries, thus the 125 assembly is different than the 150 assembly only because of the different mounting shaft styles, that's the only difference. Check out the photos below and it becomes more obvious.

bobfog · « **Reply #44 on:** August 19, 2016, 01:04 PM »

Just to add/clarify @Cheese reply. I think the inference was the bearing assembly on the 125 is somehow different and maybe weaker than the 150. This isn't the case it's simply the "keyed" shape at the end of the shaft that interfaces with the bearing is different, not the assembly as a whole.

OrangeCrush · « **Reply #45 on:** August 19, 2016, 07:31 PM »

Thanks Cheese and Bobfog for the clarification. I see now that the key is part of the bearing shaft.

I purchased a new 125/3 yesterday and just took the pad off to take a look. It is identical to your pictures with the same 150/3 markings on what look like some balance weights. I will probably go get a 6" pad tomorrow and try it out.

Cheese · « **Reply #46 on:** August 19, 2016, 11:51 PM »

Quote from: OrangeCrush on August 19, 2016, 07:31 PM

I will probably go get a 6" pad tomorrow.

Swap pads and just enjoy the sander...it's phenomenal, the pad brake is my favorite feature.

It's a real shame that Festool didn't incorporate quick-change pads with this sander so that it could be quickly converted from 125mm to 150mm. That was a real bone-head marketing decision.
The Festool engineering acumen...usually exceptional, the Festool marketing acumen...not so much.

OrangeCrush · « **Reply #47 on:** August 20, 2016, 06:04 PM »

Got the 6" pad on my ETS EC 125 now and it works great. Seams to start and stop just fine. I feel so dirty but I will get over it. Thanks again for the tip.

ben_r_ · « **Reply #48 on:** January 21, 2017, 01:25 PM »

Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...

Pizza Steve · « **Reply #49 on:** January 22, 2017, 07:53 PM »

Quote from: ben_r_ on January 21, 2017, 01:25 PM

Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company! That's a pretty standard feature.

ben_r_ · « **Reply #50 on:** January 22, 2017, 07:56 PM »

Quote from: Pizza Steve on January 22, 2017, 07:53 PM

Quote from: ben_r_ on January 21, 2017, 01:25 PM
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company! That's a pretty standard feature.

Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.

leakyroof · « **Reply #51 on:** January 22, 2017, 08:15 PM »

Quote from: ben_r_ on January 22, 2017, 07:56 PM

Quote from: Pizza Steve on January 22, 2017, 07:53 PM
Quote from: ben_r_ on January 21, 2017, 01:25 PM
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...
.

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company! That's a pretty standard feature.
Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.

. I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .

Pizza Steve · « **Reply #52 on:** January 22, 2017, 08:23 PM »

Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?

leakyroof · « **Reply #53 on:** January 22, 2017, 08:49 PM »

Quote from: Pizza Steve on January 22, 2017, 08:23 PM

Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?

. Have no idea...I'm still waiting for my Pro5 to show up....

Cheese · « **Reply #54 on:** January 22, 2017, 09:42 PM »

Quote from: leakyroof on January 22, 2017, 08:15 PM

I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .

I can't for the life of me believe that an additional 50 watts of power makes that much difference in the performance of the sander...but something really works well here. My Pro 5 is a lot better in removing previously applied finishes.

JD2720 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 22, 2017, 09:46 PM »

Quote from: Pizza Steve on January 22, 2017, 08:23 PM

Can you use a 150 pad with the Pro 5 LTD?

Maybe if you can find a 150 pad that will fit it. Festool does not have a 150 pad that will fit the Pro 5

ben_r_ · « **Reply #56 on:** January 22, 2017, 09:56 PM »

Quote from: leakyroof on January 22, 2017, 08:15 PM

Quote from: ben_r_ on January 22, 2017, 07:56 PM
Quote from: Pizza Steve on January 22, 2017, 07:53 PM
Quote from: ben_r_ on January 21, 2017, 01:25 PM
Dang. I bought an ETS EC 150/3 over 30 days ago and sadly havent even had a chance to use it. I wish I would have found this thread first though as I certainly would have like to consider getting the ETS EC 125/3 had I known I could just buy 150 pads and use them when I needed. That sucks. Kinda wondering if Acme Tools would still exchange it seeing as how I havent used it yet...
.

File a 90-day return protection claim with your credit card company! That's a pretty standard feature.
Ha wow! Have to decide it its really that serious. I do have the Pro 5 LTD too for finishing and finer work... Maybe I should just stick with the EC 150/3.
. I'm pretty sure the Pro 5 has a 3mm orbit, which would match a 150/3 in specs, but the EC's do seem to get a job done faster even with a finer than 5mm orbit .

It has a 2mm stroke.

yetihunter · « **Reply #57 on:** January 23, 2017, 02:50 AM »

Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads? Lol

ben_r_ · « **Reply #58 on:** January 23, 2017, 12:22 PM »

Quote from: yetihunter on January 23, 2017, 02:50 AM

Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads? Lol

You could easily sell those two and buy the ETS EC 125/3.

Holmz · « **Reply #59 on:** January 23, 2017, 04:41 PM »

There is a lot to be said for a 5-mm stroke.
The difference between 2 and 3-mm stroke and 50 extra watts, is eclipsed by a 5-mm stroke and an EC motor.

But if one wants a 5-mm stroke in 125-mm diameter, then it requires the Mirka... or some other brand.

leakyroof · « **Reply #60 on:** January 24, 2017, 10:33 AM »

Quote from: ben_r_ on January 23, 2017, 12:22 PM

Quote from: yetihunter on January 23, 2017, 02:50 AM
Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads? Lol
You could easily sell those two and buy the ETS EC 125/3.

True, esp. since the Pro5 is so hard to get still with Festool trying to catch up to the initial order.

Holmz · « **Reply #61 on:** January 24, 2017, 06:01 PM »

Quote from: yetihunter on January 23, 2017, 02:50 AM

Anyone want to trade their ets ec 125 for my pro5 and an ets ec 150 without the pads? Lol

This makes no sense to me.
If the ETS ETC 150 is 5-mm stroke, and the pro-5 is 2 or 3, do you really believe that you are going to want to switch out the base between course and fine sanding? That will get older than switching out router bits.

The 5-mm is not bad for finish sanding, and the smaller strokes are not good for taking material off quickly.

The only people what want one that does it all are those who do not want to spend the money for more sanders, but you are already invested

Or am I missing a key factor?

AVO · « **Reply #62 on:** April 26, 2017, 03:42 PM »

Quote from: Cheese on August 19, 2016, 11:54 AM

Quote from: OrangeCrush on August 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
After reading this post many times my question is related to reply #36 from Cheese that states one of the differences between the 125 and 150 is bearing assembly. It seams to me that that would be an important difference???

First off... to the FOG.

Now to your question, the ETS EC 125 & 150 use different pad mounting geometries, thus the 125 assembly is different than the 150 assembly only because of the different mounting shaft styles, that's the only difference. Check out the photos below and it becomes more obvious.

Hi

I have started a new tread about almost the same subject as here. But i think my question belong here instead. I have an old RO150E which has the shaft style without the wings. I can fit the wings-style pad on the RO150E, but the sealing lip ( or is that the brake ? ) is not touching the pad. What will that mean ? Bad dustcollection or ?

I cannot find the old style pads anywhere, and I have two 150 mm sanders and a lot of sandpaper :-/

Distinctive Interiors · « **Reply #63 on:** April 26, 2017, 03:55 PM »

Avo, go and have a look on your thread you started. I have put a link up that you may find useful.

Tim.

Eddy N. · « **Reply #64 on:** October 24, 2017, 08:29 AM »

Hello all of you,
first of all, i am new here and from the Netherlands, so please don't mind my language. I try to be as clear as i can be.

For this topic: when i look at the pictures at Reply #43 and compare the 2 discs (125 and 150 mm) I see that the only difference is/are the 2 cutouts on the 150 disc. Since I want to use the ets ec 150/5 with an 125 mm disc i am wondering if it is possible to cut out these 2 little cutouts of a 125 mm disc myself. Because in that case I will end up with an ets ec 150/5 with 125 and 150 mm pad. And I know that would be the same set up as the Mirka Deros, but to me it looks like the Festool is more dureable than the Mirka Deros.

Anyone have experience with adjusting the 125 mm pad?

Holmz · « **Reply #65 on:** October 24, 2017, 06:25 PM »

The Festool 150 pad fits on the 125, but not the other way around.
No one has posted such a modification so have at it. Seems conceptually easy enough.

Since you are in Europe and have 230v the DEROS seems to be a good choice.
If you really like the Festool switch over the DEROS paddle then that would make sense too.

Mirka have been making sanders for many decades, so they could be more durable than they "look".

JimmyFord · « **Reply #66 on:** March 12, 2019, 10:21 PM »

Long long time lurker, but this made me register an account.

Has anyone with the ets ec 125/3 using the 150mm pad had any issues arise from using the larger pad at all? I have the ets ec 125 and a couple days ago bought the 150/3 for table and desk tops... but if I can just use the 150 pad on what I already have... I just wanted to check in to see if anything has occurred with long term use of the larger pad before I ‘mod’ my favorite ROS lol.

Regarding the Mirka deros question, you can use the 5” pad on the 6” models (625/650) but not vice versa, and you can only use the 130g weighted pad not the standard 5” pad. Although they all fit all the pads, and seem to work, using the 6” pad on the 550 or the standard 5” pad on the 625/650 will prematurely wear out the machine. I got the answer from the regional mirka rep for my area, but the weighted pad is only available in medium.

Cheese · « **Reply #67 on:** March 12, 2019, 11:10 PM »

Quote from: JimmyFord on March 12, 2019, 10:21 PM

Long long time lurker, but this made me register an account.

Has anyone with the ets ec 125/3 using the 150mm pad had any issues arise from using the larger pad at all? I have the ets ec 125 and a couple days ago bought the 150/3 for table and desk tops... but if I can just use the 150 pad on what I already have... I just wanted to check in to see if anything has occurred with long term use of the larger pad before I ‘mod’ my favorite ROS lol.

to the FOG!

I purchased a ETS EC 125 when they first came out in 2016? I've swapped back and forth with a 125 mm and a 150 mm pad for the last 3 years and everything is fine. If you're hesitant, check out the Ekat files and you'll notice that all the electrical parts are the same.

MrToolJunkie · « **Reply #68 on:** March 13, 2019, 12:14 AM »

Except the shaft is shorter on the 125 and so the brake doesn't seem to engage. I noticed the 150 pad spins freely and the 125 engages the brake. Not sure if it impacts performance, but something I did notice when I tested this week.

Cheese · « **Reply #69 on:** March 13, 2019, 09:38 AM »

Quote from: ScotF on March 13, 2019, 12:14 AM

Except the shaft is shorter on the 125 and so the brake doesn't seem to engage. I noticed the 150 pad spins freely and the 125 engages the brake. Not sure if it impacts performance, but something I did notice when I tested this week.

Remove the 150 pad and see if maybe something is caught between the pad and the bottom of the shaft. Also check to see if there are any small burrs causing a problem. I just fired up my ETS EC with the 150 pad on and at full speed it takes 1/2 - 3/4 of a second to stop. Definitely less than a second.

JimmyFord · « **Reply #70 on:** March 13, 2019, 10:15 AM »

Quote from: Cheese on March 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

to the FOG!

I purchased a ETS EC 125 when they first came out in 2016? I've swapped back and forth with a 125 mm and a 150 mm pad for the last 3 years and everything is fine. If you're hesitant, check out the Ekat files and you'll notice that all the electrical parts are the same.

Thanks cheese, appreciate the response!

rvieceli · « **Reply #71 on:** March 13, 2019, 11:55 AM »

I’ve got an ETS EC 125 with the150mm pad on it and the brake on it works the way it’s supposed to. Mine is newer than Cheese’ manufactures 5-2018. So it still works.

Ron

MrToolJunkie · « **Reply #72 on:** March 16, 2019, 02:11 PM »

OK. I tried to put the new hard pad on my ETS EC 125 and the pad brake does not work - at all - regardless of the bolt. This is the newer style hard pad with all the extra holes - sander spins pad fine, but you shut it off and the pad just spins and spins until it eventually slows down - no brake engagement at all. I wonder if the newer style is slightly different than the older style hard pads and it now does not work as well as others have reported.

Cheese · « **Reply #73 on:** March 16, 2019, 02:35 PM »

I have the new pad on mine and it works fine.

MrToolJunkie · « **Reply #74 on:** March 17, 2019, 02:14 AM »

Thanks. It fits, but definitely does not engage the brake for whatever reason. Weird. I bought a 150/5 so a moot point for the time being and that pad engages the brake the same as the 5 inch pad on the 125.

Cheese · « **Reply #75 on:** March 17, 2019, 02:37 AM »

I also made a video on my iPhone showing how effective the brake is but I’m unable to upload it to this website.

Michael Kellough · « **Reply #76 on:** March 17, 2019, 09:17 AM »

Just read the official description of the sander, what does “active electronic vibration control” mean?

MrToolJunkie · « **Reply #77 on:** March 17, 2019, 06:20 PM »

It slows the speed down if there is any vibration detected - speeds up once it is minimized. This happens all the time when I use an interface pad.

jesse_le · « **Reply #78 on:** April 22, 2019, 10:45 PM »

I just purchased a ets ec 125/3 with a 150 pad it worked as suggested by @Cheese. Looking on the bottom of my housing, it does not show 150/3 rather just a 3.

VirTERM · « **Reply #79 on:** June 04, 2019, 11:00 AM »

Quote from: McNally Family on June 05, 2016, 04:07 PM

Quote from: bobfog on June 05, 2016, 03:49 PM
Ok, so I went to my local Festool dealer today and looked at the situation for myself.

Observations:

1) The pad for the 150 does indeed fit the 125.

2) The pad brake works perfectly, whilst the pads are "keyed differently" (looks like a purposely engineered flaw/point of difference IMO to stop people putting the 125 pad on the 150) the 150 pad sits on the 125 just fine. Though as previously stated the addition keying prevents it working the other way (125>150)

3) The pad felt absolutely perfectly balanced both when spinning freely in the air and when on the work doing its thing.

When I was considering the ETS EC 150/3, this concept might have tempted me. However I have since decided for my second Festool sander, I will go with the ETS EC 150/5, as a better compliment to my RS 2 E.

Since it appears to work for you, you should pull the trigger, use it for a few months, and then post a review. If, after a period of time I decide I don't like the 150/5, or want to expand to the 125/3, I might consider it myself, if for no other reason so I can use the same 150 consumables on both sanders.

Fully agree, the 6” pad works just like 5” on etc etc 125, in my opinion, this is the best option.

Dusty.Tools · « **Reply #80 on:** June 05, 2019, 10:45 PM »

Quote from: VirTERM on June 04, 2019, 11:00 AM

Quote from: McNally Family on June 05, 2016, 04:07 PM
Quote from: bobfog on June 05, 2016, 03:49 PM
Ok, so I went to my local Festool dealer today and looked at the situation for myself.

Observations:

1) The pad for the 150 does indeed fit the 125.

2) The pad brake works perfectly, whilst the pads are "keyed differently" (looks like a purposely engineered flaw/point of difference IMO to stop people putting the 125 pad on the 150) the 150 pad sits on the 125 just fine. Though as previously stated the addition keying prevents it working the other way (125>150)

3) The pad felt absolutely perfectly balanced both when spinning freely in the air and when on the work doing its thing.

When I was considering the ETS EC 150/3, this concept might have tempted me. However I have since decided for my second Festool sander, I will go with the ETS EC 150/5, as a better compliment to my RS 2 E.

Since it appears to work for you, you should pull the trigger, use it for a few months, and then post a review. If, after a period of time I decide I don't like the 150/5, or want to expand to the 125/3, I might consider it myself, if for no other reason so I can use the same 150 consumables on both sanders.
Fully agree, the 6” pad works just like 5” on etc etc 125, in my opinion, this is the best option.

Agreed,

I got the 125 and using the 150 pad is awesome.

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dusty.tools

CumminsDiesel · « **Reply #81 on:** July 18, 2019, 03:02 PM »

So,no one can explain ScotF problem with pad brake on 125/3 with 150 pad?
Is it worth buying 125/3 + 150 pads, or there is any hidden issues?

ChiknNutz · « **Reply #82 on:** July 18, 2019, 03:33 PM »

Just a +1 for using the ETS EC125/3 successfully with the 150 pad...no issues here.

CumminsDiesel · « **Reply #83 on:** July 19, 2019, 04:06 PM »

Quote from: ChiknNutz on July 18, 2019, 03:33 PM

Just a +1 for using the ETS EC125/3 successfully with the 150 pad...no issues here.

Can you explain how is pad brake works?

MrToolJunkie · « **Reply #84 on:** July 20, 2019, 12:22 AM »

I have no idea why my 125/3 does not work - the 150 pads fit fine and it seems to sand OK, but when you power it off the pad spins down. On my 125/3 with the 125mm pad or my 150/5 wiht the 150mm pad, the brake stops the pad instantly - so you can literally set the sander down immediately after turning it off - saves some time. I have tried the new and old style pads with the same result.

CumminsDiesel · « **Reply #85 on:** July 21, 2019, 03:47 AM »

ScotF,thanks!

I'll better stay with 150/3.

I don't want some hidden issues with 125/3 and 150 pad.

veric13 · « **Reply #86 on:** July 21, 2019, 11:52 AM »

I purchased an ETS EC 125 about 2 years ago. I put the 150 pad on it and it has worked beautifully every time. The brake works every time. If I remember correctly I did have to turn the pad so it would sit correctly on the shaft, so maybe some of you aren't seating the pad "properly". I suggest this setup to everyone that ever thinks about buying the ETS EC 150, because it is cheaper. It also gives pad size flexibility, though honestly I only used the 125 pad like 3 times when I first got it.

manuc · « **Reply #87 on:** July 22, 2019, 06:46 PM »

My ETS EC 125 works fine with the 6” pad. Brake works as well. Was using it tonight with no issues.

mikegandy · « **Reply #88 on:** August 15, 2019, 08:46 PM »

Just got an ETC EC 125 manufactured 12/2018 and put a 150 pad on and everything works perfectly. Brake engages the same on either 125 or 150. Just another confirmation

VirTERM · « **Reply #89 on:** September 12, 2019, 12:56 PM »

I use thin protection pads when working with Abranet, to be honest, I actually always leave it on. That applies to both 5" and 6" pads

bajsmalen · « **Reply #90 on:** March 27, 2020, 02:11 PM »

Anyone can confirm this is still the case with newly bought models? That the 125 can take the 150 pad without any problems, brake working as intended etc.
Preferably someone with a newly bought EU 230v version.

Read contradicting posts from both @TylerC and @ScotF.

cjfiore88 · « **Reply #91 on:** May 20, 2020, 01:55 PM »

Does anyone know if the Jetstream 2 150 pad works on the ETS EC 125? It looks like there has been some conflicting information with new Sanders. I would be looking at buying one soon, and this will impact which one I buy.

Cheese · « **Reply #92 on:** May 20, 2020, 02:28 PM »

Quote from: cjfiore88 on May 20, 2020, 01:55 PM

Does anyone know if the Jetstream 2 150 pad works on the ETS EC 125? It looks like there has been some conflicting information with new Sanders. I would be looking at buying one soon, and this will impact which one I buy.

Here's your answer...

manuc · « **Reply #93 on:** May 20, 2020, 06:37 PM »

I second that it works on the 125. It’s great for using on drywall with the Granat net and interface pad.

Dusty.Tools · « **Reply #94 on:** May 21, 2020, 02:20 AM »

+1 I used it to sand a bunch of decking, the combination works flawlessly

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Steptoe · « **Reply #95 on:** July 06, 2020, 10:32 AM »

Quote from: Cheese on May 20, 2020, 02:28 PM

Quote from: cjfiore88 on May 20, 2020, 01:55 PM
Does anyone know if the Jetstream 2 150 pad works on the ETS EC 125? It looks like there has been some conflicting information with new Sanders. I would be looking at buying one soon, and this will impact which one I buy.

Here's your answer...

(Attachment Link)

Hi Cheese, do you know the Festool part no for the 6" pad on the ETS 125/3 please?

Thanks in advance

Cheese · « **Reply #96 on:** July 06, 2020, 10:47 AM »

Quote from: Steptoe on July 06, 2020, 10:32 AM

Hi Cheese, do you know the Festool part no for the 6" pad on the ETS 125/3 please?

Thanks in advance

The Jetstream 2 hard pad is 202460.

Steptoe · « **Reply #97 on:** July 06, 2020, 11:19 AM »

Quote from: Cheese on July 06, 2020, 10:47 AM

Quote from: Steptoe on July 06, 2020, 10:32 AM

Hi Cheese, do you know the Festool part no for the 6" pad on the ETS 125/3 please?

Thanks in advance

The Jetstream 2 hard pad is 202460.

Many thanks

08G8V8 · « **Reply #98 on:** July 06, 2020, 12:47 PM »

Looking on the Festool website, they show the current part number for the ETS EC 125/3 as 576340. I see on Amazon, Hartville Hardware which looks to be an authorized dealer, is selling it under part number 571897.

I don't see anything on the Festool site when searching this part number other than it does bring up the 576340 when searching for it.

Anyone know what the difference is? Thanks

Scott in Bend · « **Reply #99 on:** July 06, 2020, 02:20 PM »

Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 12:47 PM

Looking on the Festool website, they show the current part number for the ETS EC 125/3 as 576340. I see on Amazon, Hartville Hardware which looks to be an authorized dealer, is selling it under part number 571897.

I don't see anything on the Festool site when searching this part number other than it does bring up the 576340 when searching for it.

Anyone know what the difference is? Thanks

Both sanders are the same. The difference is in the systainer. It appears the 576340 comes in the new style systainer 3. The 571897 must be old stock of the sander in the original t-loc systainer.

08G8V8 · « **Reply #100 on:** July 06, 2020, 02:25 PM »

Quote from: Scott in Bend on July 06, 2020, 02:20 PM

Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 12:47 PM
Looking on the Festool website, they show the current part number for the ETS EC 125/3 as 576340. I see on Amazon, Hartville Hardware which looks to be an authorized dealer, is selling it under part number 571897.

I don't see anything on the Festool site when searching this part number other than it does bring up the 576340 when searching for it.

Anyone know what the difference is? Thanks

Both sanders are the same. The difference is in the systainer. It appears the 576340 comes in the new style systainer 3. The 571897 must be old stock of the sander in the original t-loc systainer.

Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I’m fairly new to Festool. Not sure the systainer is a big deal for me.

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TwelvebyTwenty · « **Reply #101 on:** July 06, 2020, 02:46 PM »

Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 02:25 PM

Quote from: Scott in Bend on July 06, 2020, 02:20 PM
Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 12:47 PM
Looking on the Festool website, they show the current part number for the ETS EC 125/3 as 576340. I see on Amazon, Hartville Hardware which looks to be an authorized dealer, is selling it under part number 571897.

I don't see anything on the Festool site when searching this part number other than it does bring up the 576340 when searching for it.

Anyone know what the difference is? Thanks

Both sanders are the same. The difference is in the systainer. It appears the 576340 comes in the new style systainer 3. The 571897 must be old stock of the sander in the original t-loc systainer.
Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I’m fairly new to Festool. Not sure the systainer is a big deal for me.

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We've all been there... a few years later all purchases are made with a strong bias to whether they fit in a Systainer.

08G8V8 · « **Reply #102 on:** July 06, 2020, 04:33 PM »

Quote from: TwelvebyTwenty on July 06, 2020, 02:46 PM

Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Scott in Bend on July 06, 2020, 02:20 PM
Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 12:47 PM
Looking on the Festool website, they show the current part number for the ETS EC 125/3 as 576340. I see on Amazon, Hartville Hardware which looks to be an authorized dealer, is selling it under part number 571897.

I don't see anything on the Festool site when searching this part number other than it does bring up the 576340 when searching for it.

Anyone know what the difference is? Thanks

Both sanders are the same. The difference is in the systainer. It appears the 576340 comes in the new style systainer 3. The 571897 must be old stock of the sander in the original t-loc systainer.
Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I’m fairly new to Festool. Not sure the systainer is a big deal for me.

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We've all been there... a few years later all purchases are made with a strong bias to whether they fit in a Systainer.

I only have the RTS400 with the new style systainer, so I guess I'll have an old style systainer now to compare to it....I went ahead and ordered the sander and saved some money toward a 6" pad.

Now to order a hard 5" pad, and a soft and hard 6" pads, and sanding paper.

08G8V8 · « **Reply #103 on:** July 09, 2020, 05:06 PM »

Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 04:33 PM

Quote from: TwelvebyTwenty on July 06, 2020, 02:46 PM
Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 02:25 PM
Quote from: Scott in Bend on July 06, 2020, 02:20 PM
Quote from: 08G8V8 on July 06, 2020, 12:47 PM
Looking on the Festool website, they show the current part number for the ETS EC 125/3 as 576340. I see on Amazon, Hartville Hardware which looks to be an authorized dealer, is selling it under part number 571897.

I don't see anything on the Festool site when searching this part number other than it does bring up the 576340 when searching for it.

Anyone know what the difference is? Thanks

Both sanders are the same. The difference is in the systainer. It appears the 576340 comes in the new style systainer 3. The 571897 must be old stock of the sander in the original t-loc systainer.
Thanks for the info. That makes sense. I’m fairly new to Festool. Not sure the systainer is a big deal for me.

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We've all been there... a few years later all purchases are made with a strong bias to whether they fit in a Systainer.

I only have the RTS400 with the new style systainer, so I guess I'll have an old style systainer now to compare to it....I went ahead and ordered the sander and saved some money toward a 6" pad.

Now to order a hard 5" pad, and a soft and hard 6" pads, and sanding paper.

I got my sander today and turns out they did send the newer version part number 576340. So, got it for the $400 vs $425. They no longer have a listing, but another vendor has the same old part number listed but at the current $425 price.

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cjfiore88 · « **Reply #104 on:** July 17, 2020, 06:33 AM »

I ordered mine before the price hike too, and it cake with the new systainer. The brake works perfectly on the 6 inch jet stream 2 hard pad.

VirTERM · « **Reply #105 on:** January 16, 2022, 08:58 PM »

My ets-Ec 125 just started having problem with break, not every time but it’s definitely behaving odd. I noticed that with 6” pad but will test 5” pad soon. Has this problem been solved or explained?

Blopina · « **Reply #106 on:** September 29, 2022, 02:28 AM »

So I’ve been researching like crazy and decided to buy a 150/5 sander. I’ve noticed on all these threads everyone is adamant that the 150 pad works flawlessly on the 125. The brake stops the pad no problem! I agree with this based on the videos I’ve watched.

However! The pads other function is to ensure the pad doesn’t spin out of control when there is no load applied. On every video I’ve seen this is exactly what happens. The power goes on and the pad starts spinning at what appears to be full speed. It seems there’s enough friction to stop it at shutdown, but not enough to prevent it from spinning while operating without load.

Just my 2C and maybe this will help someone else. That could cause some nasty scratch marks if you move a spinning pad to wood. I know because I had a Makita where the brake broke.

serge0n · « **Reply #107 on:** September 29, 2022, 02:45 AM »

Quote from: Blopina on September 29, 2022, 02:28 AM

However! The pads other function is to ensure the pad doesn’t spin out of control when there is no load applied. On every video I’ve seen this is exactly what happens. The power goes on and the pad starts spinning at what appears to be full speed. It seems there’s enough friction to stop it at shutdown, but not enough to prevent it from spinning while operating without load.

Whoa! Can you elaborate please? Mine shuts down immediately with a 150 pad, there is not just "enough friction", the brake functions precisely as it should, regardless of the pad size. Stops within 2 seconds.
However, I started noticing some nasty swirlies if I don't go high enough in grits. And for certain scenarios (stair threads, outdoor furniture), you don't want to go too high when sanding.

Cheese · « **Reply #108 on:** September 29, 2022, 08:26 AM »

Quote from: Blopina on September 29, 2022, 02:28 AM

On every video I’ve seen this is exactly what happens. The power goes on and the pad starts spinning at what appears to be full speed. It seems there’s enough friction to stop it at shutdown, but not enough to prevent it from spinning while operating without load.

The sander is supposed to be started when it's on the surface of the wood and turned off after it's been removed from the wood.

Blopina · « **Reply #109 on:** September 29, 2022, 10:30 AM »

Quote from: Cheese on September 29, 2022, 08:26 AM

Quote from: Blopina on September 29, 2022, 02:28 AM
On every video I’ve seen this is exactly what happens. The power goes on and the pad starts spinning at what appears to be full speed. It seems there’s enough friction to stop it at shutdown, but not enough to prevent it from spinning while operating without load.

The sander is supposed to be started when it's on the surface of the wood and turned off after it's been removed from the wood.

This is something I understand, it doesn't always work out that perfectly though. Especially when trying to accomplish a high level of production. I'm not saying there's no workaround, just that the pad will spin like crazy if running off the workpiece. Should stop adequately when shut down.

Blopina · « **Reply #110 on:** September 29, 2022, 10:53 AM »

If you turn the sander on without it on the workpiece, the pad will spin quickly until shut down, so as the other poster said, make sure you start with the pad planted on the piece. If you put a fast spinning pad onto your workpiece it will cause swirls and divots if not placed perfectly flat.

ChuckS · « **Reply #111 on:** September 29, 2022, 11:46 AM »

It's a good practice to place the ETS on the work before turning it on, but it's not a difficult technique to learn how to sand with the sander turned on right from the start, a technique especially useful when working with a large panel.

See the sander being turned on before touching the work surface at 2:59

Crazyraceguy · « **Reply #112 on:** September 29, 2022, 02:15 PM »

Quote from: ChuckS on September 29, 2022, 11:46 AM

It's a good practice to place the ETS on the work before turning it on, but it's not a difficult technique to learn how to sand with the sander turned on right from the start, a technique especially useful when working with a large panel.

See the sander being turned on before touching the work surface at 2:59

It's not that difficult of a technique to learn. For me, it came from years of using pneumatic sanders, where it is essentially required. Adding the extractor hose changes it slightly, but if it is supported well, it's fine.

ChuckS · « **Reply #113 on:** September 29, 2022, 05:09 PM »

Quote from: Crazyraceguy on September 29, 2022, 02:15 PM

Snip. Adding the extractor hose changes it slightly, but if it is supported well, it's fine.

Good point. Some people wrap the hose over their arm like this:

The_Berg_55 · « **Reply #114 on:** September 13, 2023, 10:09 AM »

Another year gone by..

Curios of anybody has bought a new EC 125 sander recently and can confirm if you can still mount (and get the brake working) the 150 mm disc on the ETS EC 125?