Author Topic: ETS 125 Dust Port & Festool 36 mm hose fitting (Read 22476 times)

grbmds · « **on:** March 30, 2014, 07:07 PM »

Just took out the ETS125 sander I bought yesterday to use it and found that the 36 mm hose fitting won't fit on the 125's dust port. I never imagined this would be a problem given the Festool attention to detail and the tools being part of a close system so to speak. What do I have to buy to make the hose fit? (Also surprised that the Festool non-anti-static hose I bought to use with my Fein vac won't fit the dust port on the 125 either. Please provide the part number for the adapter I assume I need.

Alex · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:12 PM »

Festool doesn't have an adapter for this in their line. You can buy one from Nilfisk-Alto though. They make most of Festool's vacuum accessories.

http://www.industrialvacs.com/Tool_Socket_connects_suction_hose_to_power_tool_p/h302000535.htm

The sanders are meant to be used with the 27mm hose instead of the 36mm hose. The 27m hose provides enough suction for effective dust control and is easier to use with sanders because it is lighter and more flexible. That's Festools' attention to detail.

grbmds · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2014, 07:49 PM »

Just a little puzzling. I realize the 36 mm hose is overkill for the sander (and I suppose may even cause some suction problems) but, for other tools it seems to be a better match. Why won't the non-anti-static hose fit though? I think that is 27 mm. It is a Festool product.

batcave · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2014, 09:19 PM »

Quote from: grbmds on March 30, 2014, 07:49 PM

Just a little puzzling. I realize the 36 mm hose is overkill for the sander (and I suppose may even cause some suction problems) but, for other tools it seems to be a better match. Why won't the non-anti-static hose fit though? I think that is 27 mm. It is a Festool product.

It will fit. The hose fittings are really tight when new. It just needs broke in.

Kevin

tjbnwi · « **Reply #4 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:01 PM »

The 36 mm hose will not work/fit on the sanders (except the Planex that has a special hose and CT). Festool knows this and address the issue by suppling the 27 mm hose with all the CT's except the 36 AC which is "designed" for the Planex. No oversight on Festools part.

The new 32 mm to 27 mm tapered hose works with the sanders.

Tom

grbmds · « **Reply #5 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:10 PM »

Unfortunately that doesn't help me much and that isn't information which is out there and available. At least it isn't to those of us just acquiring Festool equipment. I did manage to another rubber adapter I had which was a leftover from another dust port fitting attempt. After sanding the inside of one of its openings on my spindle sander I was able to get it just fit the 125. The other fit on the 36 mm hose end. Since it was rubber it was flexible enough was almost like it was made to fit. I have a CT48 and dialed about halfway down it worked great. For now, I thin I'll just use that adapter instead of buying another expensive hose. I still don't understand why the non-anti-static Festool hose doesn't fit. It has to be 27 mm. One of the things I like about Festool besides the quality and great dust collection was the "close system" idea where everything fit, but apparently they are no better than others in this area; meaning you have to have more than one hose or fitting to use multiple tools with the same vac. A little frustrating given that's a big problem across the entire woodworking tool manufacturing spectrum.

Michael Garrett · « **Reply #6 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:33 PM »

You could try this: http://www.tool-home.com/products/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/60/products_id/17990

SRSemenza · « **Reply #7 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:38 PM »

Quote from: grbmds on March 30, 2014, 10:10 PM

Unfortunately that doesn't help me much and that isn't information which is out there and available. At least it isn't to those of us just acquiring Festool equipment. I did manage to another rubber adapter I had which was a leftover from another dust port fitting attempt. After sanding the inside of one of its openings on my spindle sander I was able to get it just fit the 125. The other fit on the 36 mm hose end. Since it was rubber it was flexible enough was almost like it was made to fit. I have a CT48 and dialed about halfway down it worked great. For now, I thin I'll just use that adapter instead of buying another expensive hose. I still don't understand why the non-anti-static Festool hose doesn't fit. It has to be 27 mm. One of the things I like about Festool besides the quality and great dust collection was the "close system" idea where everything fit, but apparently they are no better than others in this area; meaning you have to have more than one hose or fitting to use multiple tools with the same vac. A little frustrating given that's a big problem across the entire woodworking tool manufacturing spectrum.

That should fit if it is the D27 Non-AS Hose. Can you post a picture of the connector?

Seth

RL · « **Reply #8 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:42 PM »

When you bought a Festool CT vac, what hose did it come with? I was under the impression they were delivered with a 27mm hose unless otherwise requested. All tools work with the 27mm hose, but not all work with the 36mm hose as you are discovering!

If you switched it, the dealer should have mentioned to you that a 36mm hose is unsuitable for sanders. The domino also requires a 27mm hose. This is pretty common knowledge, in the same way that the routers and TS saws are better used with larger hoses and the small tools' plug-it cables are not useable with the larger tools. It also states quite clearly on the Festool website spec page that the dust port on the ETS 125 is 27mm.

There is a reducing nozzle from 36 to 27mm available from Festool but it is NAINA. I have one but when I use my ETS 125 I always use the 27mm hose anyway. The sander is just too light for the heavier hose.

As to why the non anti-static hose is not working, that seems strange. It should work if the end is indeed 27mm. Here is a link to the ant-static hose page on Festool USA. (By the way, the pictures on the Festool website for the anti-static hoses are all identical and show a 36mm nozzle.)

http://www.festoolusa.com/power-tool-accessories/hepa-dust-extractors/non-antistatic-hoses/

Hope this helps.

Festool USA · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:56 PM »

Like others have said, your CT should have come standard with a 27mm hose. Unless you have the CT 36 AutoClean for the Planex, which comes with a black 36mm hose with a special flange on the tool end connector.

When you say the hose doesn't fit, are you saying it's too big or too small? "Doesn't fit" leads me to believe that you mean it's too small. If so, that's normal. You just need to push it on there. It does require a little force, but it's a friction fitting. So it needs to be snug.

Shane

Michael Garrett · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2014, 10:59 PM »

There is a reducing nozzle from 36 to 27mm available from Festool but it is NAINA. I have one but when I use my ETS 125 I always use the 27mm hose anyway. The sander is just too light for the heavier hose.

The adapter is available in the US:
http://www.tool-home.com/products/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/60/products_id/17990

grbmds · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2014, 11:01 PM »

I decided to go with the larger hose for better suction. It may not have been necessary but the non-anti-static 27 mm did not do as good a job on getting the dust from the saw. I don't regret that. I will try the non-anti- static again but I've pushed and done about everything I can do to get it on there. My adapter works OK and I will try that for awhile. I suppose that means that the OF 1400 is going to have the same problem. I don't have this problem with the TS55. Haven't yet tried the Domino 500, but that looks small also.

There should be some warnings. Those of us who never owned Festools before have no idea and we're told up front that they have made all their tools to work together. That's one of the selling points. Guess that's only partially true. It's not that big a deal, just didn't expect it from them.

RL · « **Reply #12 on:** March 30, 2014, 11:11 PM »

Quote from: Michael Garrett on March 30, 2014, 10:59 PM

There is a reducing nozzle from 36 to 27mm available from Festool but it is NAINA. I have one but when I use my ETS 125 I always use the 27mm hose anyway. The sander is just too light for the heavier hose.

The adapter is available in the US:
http://www.tool-home.com/products/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/60/products_id/17990

Michael, that's an aftermarket product although it does the same thing. The Festool adapter I was referring to was this one.

http://www.powertool-supplies.co.uk/festool-reducing-sleeve-rm-d36-27-as.html

tjbnwi · « **Reply #13 on:** March 30, 2014, 11:14 PM »

As Seth said, a picture of your hose and connector will help. I wonder if some how you ended up with the 22 mm AS hose for the hand sanders???

The hose that comes with the CT is conductive, not anti-static.

They all do work together. The 27 mm hose works on all of the tools.

I would never want to use any of the sanders except the Planex with a 36 mm hose.

Tom

bkharman · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2014, 11:34 PM »

Quote from: grbmds on March 30, 2014, 11:01 PM

I decided to go with the larger hose for better suction.

There should be some warnings. Those of us who never owned Festools before have no idea and we're told up front that they have made all their tools to work together. That's one of the selling points. Guess that's only partially true. It's not that big a deal, just didn't expect it from them.

Who is "them"? I think you need to bring it up with them, as they didn't tell you everything you should have been told.

I use my 27mm hose on most of my tools and all of my sanders... It was a little tight at the beginning but fits easily and quickly now.

Hope you get it squared away...

Cheers. Bryan.

Roseland · « **Reply #15 on:** March 31, 2014, 03:51 AM »

Is there a list anywhere of which Festool tools can take the 36mm hose without an adapter?

Andrew

tjbnwi · « **Reply #16 on:** March 31, 2014, 07:07 AM »

I know of no list.

If you go to the Festool website, choose a tool, click on specifications, in the list is the dust extraction port size. The ETS 125 clearly shows it is 27 mm. If you choose the Kapex, the click specifications it shows 27/36 mm.

Tom

Roseland · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2014, 07:46 AM »

Thanks, will do!

A

grbmds · « **Reply #18 on:** March 31, 2014, 09:46 AM »

Quote from: Shane Holland on March 30, 2014, 10:56 PM

Like others have said, your CT should have come standard with a 27mm hose. Unless you have the CT 36 AutoClean for the Planex, which comes with a black 36mm hose with a special flange on the tool end connector.

When you say the hose doesn't fit, are you saying it's too big or too small? "Doesn't fit" leads me to believe that you mean it's too small. If so, that's normal. You just need to push it on there. It does require a little force, but it's a friction fitting. So it needs to be snug.

Shane

I switched the hose out for the 36 mm hose and paid the difference at Woodcraft. From an efficiency standpoint, I think the larger hose seems to work better for the saw in terms of dust collection for me at least.

It is too small, but I have tried to force it on the port on the sander and the Domino (which I just got). It really won't go on. The hose I have which I have been using on my Fein vac is silver with a white connection for the vac end and what looks like a 27 mm connection on the tool side. It works just fine on the TS55REQ, but so far I cannot get it on the sander. I will try again tonight and will provide the part number on the smaller hose. I have seen a Festool "adapter" which gradually goes from what looks like 36 mm to a smaller size (could be 27 mm) but the labeling on the box in the store I was at didn't really show what it would be used for. I've seen it in the catalog but can't find it online. That might be the answer.

Roseland · « **Reply #19 on:** March 31, 2014, 10:02 AM »

OK, so I've put together a list of which hose works with which tool and thought I'd share it. Please let me know by PM if I've got any wrong/missed anything.

Andrew

gnlman · « **Reply #20 on:** March 31, 2014, 10:09 AM »

Hi. I like to 36mm hose as well. I made a whip about 18 inches to use with sanders ect, but prefer the 36 on my mft for dust collection.
I just ordered a couple of these, have not rec'd them yet but sounds like it will solve your issues.
have a look....

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281170529852?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Greg

grbmds · « **Reply #21 on:** March 31, 2014, 10:18 AM »

I've just talked with tech support at Festool and got the same answer. The silve non-anti-static hose should be 27 mm and should work with the ETS125 and Domino. Therefore, it must just be me going through a weak period in my life where I don't have the strength to force it on the 125. I will try tonight. My only other concern would be, should I be using a non-anti-static hose for sanding. I know it doesn't matter for some things like vacuuming the floor or workbench, but would sustained use with a sander cause a build-up of static electricity?

Charlie Mac · « **Reply #22 on:** March 31, 2014, 12:26 PM »

Quote from: gnlman on March 31, 2014, 10:09 AM

Hi. I like to 36mm hose as well. I made a whip about 18 inches to use with sanders ect, but prefer the 36 on my mft for dust collection.
I just ordered a couple of these, have not rec'd them yet but sounds like it will solve your issues.
have a look....

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281170529852?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Greg

I bought one of those last year and it has worked quite well as I have my 36mm hose mounted on a boom arm. Before that I used the 18" whip. That, I didn't care for as it would leave the Plug it cord ALWAYS 18" too long or too short.

gnlman · « **Reply #23 on:** March 31, 2014, 01:45 PM »

Hi. That is good to hear it worked well. I discovered them after reading the list created by Seth on aftermarket items for Festool.
I have a similar setup. My mft does not move, and I have a homemade boomarm (central vac pipe and fittings) mounted on the wall behind my table that swivels. I have the same issue with the whip as you, no matter what I do, the extra loop that is tied back when not using the whip seems to get caught on something....lol

I only had one Festool sander up til Saturday (Ro90) and using it with the 36mm hose seemed fine to me....I will have to see how my new sanders (ets 125, dts 400 and rs2e) are like to use with the larger hose...not sure how well the smaller ones will like the bigger hose....oh well it's great to have options!!

I've thought about just making an extension for the plug it cord perhaps a little longer than the 18 inch hose whip but not sure if the plug it parts are available as I'd need both ends.....
If the parts were available I think I would add that to my options.....anybody know if you can buy theses parts in Canada?

grbmds:

I also have the non anti static hoses as well....use them with my shop vac and Dust Deputy in the larger area of my shop where I cut up plywood. I do find a bit of static at times when using my ts55, but it also seems to be dependent on humidity at the time....I have electric heat in my shop so it can get pretty dry at times.
I didn't have a extractor when I first started using my saw, so didn't see the point of buying the anti static hose at the time...I have a extractor coming now, and like you have opted for the larger hose....good luck, you'll get it all solved and the people here are of great help....
Greg.

grbmds · « **Reply #24 on:** March 31, 2014, 02:09 PM »

gnlman:

The ETS125 sander worked fine with the 36mm hose. I dialed the vac down to about half. There was a little bit of chattering, but I think if I just dialed it down a tiny bit more it would have been fine. The sanding results were great. No noticeable dust, but I also have a ceiling mounted air cleaner. I sanded out the inside of another rubber adapter I had to fit the 125 port. It was from one of those stepped adapters. Fortunately the next step up fit inside the 36 mm hose just right; both sides now a tight fit. I may just buy another one or two of those and cut and sand till I get it right. They are cheaper.

Thanks for the assistance though. Part of my problem was that I had a TS 75 for awhile during the recall and that was the reason I bought the 36 mm hose. No one ever told me it would be so difficult to get connected to the smaller tools like the Domino, sanders, and routers. In fact I'm not sure I even thought to ask because I thought everything just fit.

gnlman · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2014, 03:43 PM »

Hi. That's good to know the sander is manageable with the 36 mm hose....no surprise the dust collection is fine, just have heard others mention the 27 mm hose for sanding is a little easier to move about.
My apologies I somehow missed you had the non anti static hose......the adapter I mentioned is suppose to be compatible with the anti static hose or conductive for lack of better words...now that I'm finally getting a Festool extractor I can take advantage of the green hoses and save a bit of my arm hair...lol

If the step adapter works, and you are not using the green hose sounds like you've solved your problem.....to be honest Festool at least has some standards with their extractors and hoses so the actually fit each other.....unlike all the other stuff out there.....hence the multiple zip lock plumbing couplings in my 2.5 inch collection system.....lol
happy sanding, can't wait to give those new sanders a try just have to be home long enough to make it happen......not a luxury I have these days..
take care and keep posting,
Greg

gnlman · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2014, 04:10 PM »

One more thing....the adapter you saw in the store but it didn't say what it was for.....I had the same issue as you when I bought my first sander.....I picked one of those adapters up thinking it would solve my issue (that is if we are talking the same one....it's hard plastic and somewhat bell shaped..)..turns out it is for attaching a 27mm hose to a 36 mm hose.......that's a long hose....lol....then again when up on a ladder on the outside of a house sanding siding it's great to be able to start off with the 36mm and attach the 27 mm.......having said that, the adapter fits perfectly on my Kreg K4 dust port and allows me to attach my 36 mm hose from my boom arm to my Kreg jig......

I guess what most people will tell you is once you get involved in this stuff you end up with a box of assorted adapters couplings, plumbing couplings..heck I've even used old pill bottles....to cobble up to some tools ect.....once you succumb to the fact there are very little standards with a lot of tool companies...you"ll be happy you have a box of all these things so when you come up against a dust collection issue you have enough stuff to make it work....lol

Also since you are using non anti static, you might look at Bosch hoses...I have a 36mm bosch hose...i think they call it 35mm....I use it on my cutting table and it works just fine...bought it from amazon and i think it was 30-40 bucks.....not sure but they might sell a 27mm hose, you'd have to check but for little money you'd have the other size hose.....I think if it were me though I'd get the anti static Festool hose for sanding as you have the extractor and can take advantage of not getting zapped....lol

Greg.

grbmds · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2014, 04:47 PM »

Quote from: gnlman on March 31, 2014, 04:10 PM

One more thing....the adapter you saw in the store but it didn't say what it was for.....I had the same issue as you when I bought my first sander.....I picked one of those adapters up thinking it would solve my issue (that is if we are talking the same one....it's hard plastic and somewhat bell shaped..)..turns out it is for attaching a 27mm hose to a 36 mm hose.......that's a long hose....lol....then again when up on a ladder on the outside of a house sanding siding it's great to be able to start off with the 36mm and attach the 27 mm.......having said that, the adapter fits perfectly on my Kreg K4 dust port and allows me to attach my 36 mm hose from my boom arm to my Kreg jig......

I guess what most people will tell you is once you get involved in this stuff you end up with a box of assorted adapters couplings, plumbing couplings..heck I've even used old pill bottles....to cobble up to some tools ect.....once you succumb to the fact there are very little standards with a lot of tool companies...you"ll be happy you have a box of all these things so when you come up against a dust collection issue you have enough stuff to make it work....lol

Also since you are using non anti static, you might look at Bosch hoses...I have a 36mm bosch hose...i think they call it 35mm....I use it on my cutting table and it works just fine...bought it from amazon and i think it was 30-40 bucks.....not sure but they might sell a 27mm hose, you'd have to check but for little money you'd have the other size hose.....I think if it were me though I'd get the anti static Festool hose for sanding as you have the extractor and can take advantage of not getting zapped....lol

Greg.

Greg,

I do have more than a box of connectors and adapters, most of which do not work for any of my tools. That's really the only reason I found something that worked in this case (with a little adjustment). It actually works well and I can still use my 36 mm hose. I suppose, over time, I will end up getting the 27 mm anti-static hose, because I have 3 Festools that require that connection now. I really didn't expect to run into the dust port size problem with Festool though.

Thanks for the suggestions.

Randy

grbmds · « **Reply #28 on:** April 01, 2014, 06:56 AM »

Quote from: Charlie Mac on March 31, 2014, 12:26 PM

Quote from: gnlman on March 31, 2014, 10:09 AM
Hi. I like to 36mm hose as well. I made a whip about 18 inches to use with sanders ect, but prefer the 36 on my mft for dust collection.
I just ordered a couple of these, have not rec'd them yet but sounds like it will solve your issues.
have a look....

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/281170529852?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Greg

I bought one of those last year and it has worked quite well as I have my 36mm hose mounted on a boom arm. Before that I used the 18" whip. That, I didn't care for as it would leave the Plug it cord ALWAYS 18" too long or too short.

Does the referenced adapter fit inside the 36 mm coupling? (The picture looks too small to fit over the 36 mm coupling.) I assume the other end just fits over the dust ports on tools made for the 27 mm hose.

Sparktrician · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2014, 08:44 AM »

Quote from: Michael Garrett on March 30, 2014, 10:59 PM

The adapter is available in the US:
http://www.tool-home.com/products/catalog/product_info.php/manufacturers_id/60/products_id/17990

I made one of these whips and use it regularly, but I add a single 1-1/4" copper pipe connector between the 36mm end connector and the 27mm end connector to tighten the connection and keep them from slipping apart.