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Offline DeformedTree

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Re: Too much plastic packaging
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2021, 05:27 PM »
yeah, ilegal dumping is very frustrating, and something that sucks when you have land, as once someone does it, it's too late and it's very hard to stop.  It's real bad when people have all ready loaded it up on a truck, all they have to do is drive to the dump, not the woods.  Most places dumps and such are not even expensive. 

I think where problems like yours pop up is when there are barriers, like places where getting construction dumpsters are insane prices. Or towns decide to ban having a dumpster in the driveway when someone is working on a house.  Or the dumps/transfer stations have terrible hours, or don't let the public use them.   It's something where barriers need to be set very low, remove reason doing anything but taking it to the dump.  If people were dumping steel, then you know something is not working right there.

I think some folks, it just is something they grew up with, it's engrained, they just don't see the issue dumping it like what happened to you or they see it as their right, or how they always did it etc.  Insane yes, but some people just do that sort of thing.

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Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Too much plastic packaging
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2021, 06:56 PM »
Saying that plastic is more environmentally friendly is a lie.

"handled properly" uhuh...
Not at you but in general. If someone cannot be bothered to throw plastic garbage in the garbage bin, such a person should not comment on ecology.

A poisoned frog from the toxic junk from a paper mill will be much better living near a "non-decomposing" PET bottle she will make a house in. But even better in a clean water without the PET bottle or the junk from paper mills.

Huge amounts of toxic waste are produced to make paper while basic plastics production is a pretty clean process. Actually, more oil is taken from the ground so you can make a cardboard packaging today than is extracted to make an equivalent PC package.


Sometimes I thin the people who proclaim paper bags "save planet" are those who think that cardboard and paper "gets delivered by a truck to a shop". No. It does not. The same milk does not grow in supermarket. This is the result of 1/2 the people studying social studies and physics, chemistry or biology being bad words in schools these days.


All that said, no packaging material is the best packaging material. Same as with the ladies.

Festool does a great job at this, sometimes to their detriment even.
/end rant

The paper mill near me that provides all the news paper for many of the major newspapers in the United States does not pollute. They actually put clean water back into the water way they pull from.

Furthermore there are more trees in the United States than at any other time in history due to forest management. Lately that has been a problem due to a lack of management. That's because Canada has flooded the US with subsidized lumber. That matters because private organizations use to manage forest land by replanting and maintaining with the agreement they get to log (non-clear cut). The lack of management has led to more forest fires since the pattern of forests was not as natural.

You're discussion magazine print, trash print, not non-chlorine print and news print. And there's a big difference between a plastic bottle not decomposing and making continual contact that makes it shed micro particles all the time. They're finding plastic in everything in nature... CO2 we may start harvesting for profit, micro particles? Uh... not possible, you can't filter the entire ocean and every square inch of top soil.

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Offline JeremyH.

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Re: Too much plastic packaging
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2021, 07:01 PM »
This is my personal experience on being on the backend of trash.
I own farmland/forest property two states away and one day received a letter from that state's EPA dept. concerning an illegal dump that I knew nothing about.

I was able to met the EPA requirements and jumped through every hoop they threw at me.  But I hate people that dump their trash in the country.  So please just recycle your own stuff through proper cycles.  Cardboard breaks down, drywall breaks down, but take care of your own asphalt shingles and glass and furniture.  If you buy that overseas junk from Walmart, don't drive out in the country and dump it on someone else's property.  You would not want me to catch you.

That's brutal. The world would not miss such humans..
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